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| 05 Sep 14 UTC | Autumn, 1871: GameMaster: This game has been moved back to Autumn, 1871 |
| 05 Sep 14 UTC | Autumn, 1871: Oli (Moderator): Hy everybody. There was a problem in the new variant with the standoffs. It's fixed now, and the turn got reprocessed. Thanks. |
| 05 Sep 14 UTC | Autumn, 1871: Oli (Moderator): Sorry, need to take a look at the game again... |
| 05 Sep 14 UTC | Autumn, 1871: GameMaster: This game has been moved back to Autumn, 1871 |
| 05 Sep 14 UTC | Autumn, 1871: Oli (Moderator): Sorry, needed to reset the game again, as Russia had a move not restored correctly from the database. Now everything is resolved. Sorry for the inconvenience. Please everybody check their orders, I have resetted the phase-timer to a full 24 hours. |
| 16 Sep 14 UTC | Autumn, 1874: GameMaster: Turkey voted for a Draw. If everyone votes Draw the game will end and the points are split equally among all the surviving players, regardless of how many supply centers each player has. |
| 25 Sep 14 UTC | gg all |
| 25 Sep 14 UTC | Gg |
| 25 Sep 14 UTC | GG but China didn't play a good strategy against Britain... |
| 25 Sep 14 UTC | Well, stats say that, out of 103 finished games, China got eliminated 66 times, so I wouldn't say they did a bad game. This is an unbalanced Map and Britain have their advantages... I made use of them, so I wouldn't blame China. http://www.vdiplomacy.com/stats.php?variantID=12 |
| 25 Sep 14 UTC | Japan, I was attacked by Russia and you.. How could I also fight Britain? |
| 25 Sep 14 UTC | China was stupid and gave Britain the victory. the solo and the stab were pretty obvious a long time ago... |
| 25 Sep 14 UTC | Turkey is right... China you leave too much room to Britain for going to russia without reason... you must go south |
| 26 Sep 14 UTC | Hi, congratulations to the winner. I won't blame China, because I played bad: I tried to ally with France to get rid of Malaya-Singapore (which I still think made sense), but failed. Furthermore I misordered the build of a useless army (rather than a fleet) in Sumatra. Add japanese pressure on the other side, and I ended up being relieved bt the British victory (at least I was not eliminated) |
| 26 Sep 14 UTC | http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/f/frederickt140989.html Japan, Variant's stats say also that Japan get at least to a draw in 60% of the games. I think you didn't achieve that result because in year 3 you were fighting already all 3 your neighbours. Gunboats are diplomacy games, too. You go nowhere without something resembling to an ally or to a NAP. Actually I think the reasons why you weren't defeated, other than the imbalance of the map making Japan almost undefeatable, were 2 out of your neighbours (China & Russia) fighting each other and the 3rd never attacking you with more than 2 or 3 units. What a luck. If China didn't go south, it was because a green enemy was having dinner on China's shores and trying to defend everything would have been much worse. Especially, you don't defend from someone who isn't attacking you when there's someone else in your Home SCs. Turkey, if we really want to find a mistake in China's play it was moving from Moscow. They didn't read the situation correctly and they probably didn't wonder why Odessa was supporting Mos to Baku. Anyway, had China hold in Moscow, Britain would have just taken some year more to win. IMHO, the reasons why Britain won, in order of importance, are: 1. The imbalance of the map making Britain far more advantaged than all the other Countries except Japan. 2. Turkey still fighting Russia in 1872, when Britain was already throwing everything against them. Also, poor Turkey's tactics in the battle near Persian Gulf: they lost all the 4 SCs too fast, giving Britain new builds and time to move them. 3. a) Britain's strategy to delay as long as possible attack to most disvataged Country (China: there's a reason why they end with 0 SCs 65% of the times) so they could keep engaged with the others, especially Japan. b) Strategical mistakes by Japan. 4. France's NMRs. Those were the reasons why Britain won. After that yes, there are more reasons why they won so fast. But the reason why China survived on a Map where the odds to do it are only 1/3 (and probably even less in gunboats), was that they didn't try to defend everything: this would have been stupid and led them to a complete defeat. Blaming China for the game's result rather than looking for each one's mistakes sounds unfair. |
| 26 Sep 14 UTC | Holland, thanks, but Britain is an easy Country on this Map. I was sure Army in Sumatra was a misorder, I'm sorry for that. Was the move to GoM in S1873 a misorder too? :) It gave me so much to think... Likewise I was doing with China, I was trying to put you against Japan too... |
| 26 Sep 14 UTC | You talk too much Britain and all you say isn't truth... In 1872 I was in peace with China and Holland and at war only with Russia... I closed my war with Russia, hoping in a peace with Holland I attacked China because she was allied with Britain. Holland instead attacked me and I was forced to defend from him and go on against China. France was out as Russia, Turkey defended like a lion but with no chance against britain and his puppet China adn the game was over. In the last move I grab some SCs not to stop Britain (I cannot do nothing against him for all the game) but to gain more points... If Holland remained in peace with me and moved agianst Britain with T/F the game can have a different outcome... If China will attack India instead of a useless and undefendable European Russia... If... If... If... |
| 26 Sep 14 UTC | Japan, I agree I played badly, and perhaps I mis-interpreted your move to Cebu. Let's say I was frustrated with my mistakes (not letting the french into Malaya in 1871 - I expected he would take Rangoon - plus the misorder in the fall), and thought I desperately needed a build.. Cebu was there, and you'd still have Manila. Britain, the move to GoM was not a misorder.. I was just very confused, and was not sure about where your fleets were headed. |
| 26 Sep 14 UTC | Yes, this explains things a bit. Didn't you notice Malaya desperately supporting you to Bangook, 4 consecutive times from A1871 to S73? |
| 27 Sep 14 UTC | Britain, no I did not.. for some reasons (a busy couple of weeks in RL probably had a role) this was one of the worst games I ever played |