Messages - vDiplomacy

Chat archive

...

22 Jan 17 UTC	Spring, 1994: (Strategos): Could other people please advertise this game if they can.
23 Jan 17 UTC	Spring, 1994: (Xildur): 1 more and we can play
23 Jan 17 UTC	Spring, 1994: England, my Murmansk would go to Norway. Please do not contest it. I am willing to help you get another SC later. Likewise, my StP is going to Sweden, German. Rather than bouncing each other, we may be able to help each other. Poland and Ukraine, I don't want to contest Bielo in this year. Hopefully, it is show of goodwill from me.
23 Jan 17 UTC	Spring, 1994: @All I wish you good game, I'm your last @Spain I know you would like to take Gibraltar, I'm here with an offer. I'll go for Morroco, you'll go for Gibraltar. Morroco will stay always mine. Gibraltar will be always under your control. I can help you get Tunis and keep it. My fleet is at south just for your help. I think we can have alliance! Do you agree? It will be definitely worth it. What with France? Maybe we can have alliance with Germany? @Germany I think we are common allies. I would like to share peace with you. Russia is quite weak at this map, he can be target of everyone. Do you agree on not allowing him a SCs in Scandinavia? Tell me what you think, I want hear your opinion. And France? I think best will be, if we destroy him soon, but I don't want to be offensive. I think best for us will be alliance with Spain. @Russia I think best for our relationship will be if you stay at Murmansk. At least Lapland as DMZ? @France I don't know. I don't declared war Poland, I'm waiting on messages of Germany and Spain. @Poland, @Ukraine what do you plan? Maybe you can start an alliance and attack Russia? With Turkish help? @Italy, will you help us with France?
23 Jan 17 UTC	Spring, 1994: @Russia, I'm sorry, Norway will be mine:)
23 Jan 17 UTC	Spring, 1994: @Germany : England's proposal just make you walk the path of ruin. Opening another front on the north when you have other three fronts already is dangerous. It is better to cooperate with me and you'll get Britain's SCs rather than get nothing after Britain has already settled down on the North. @Spain : Leaving Gib fleet, even if it moves out to Mor, is not beneficial to you. Just take both and England can't do anything. He won't send more fleets south, but he may build another there if you let him having Morocco. Since Britain has already spoken aggressive words toward me, I am ready to cooperate with anyone that wants to split Britain's SCs. Please remember that Britain's position have already brought quite advantage. If no one attack him while he is still weak, then he might dominate the game and leave us all in the dust.
23 Jan 17 UTC	Spring, 1994: @All, Russia is greedy, he has already 5 SCs from start and he wanted to gain all of Scandinavia and he didn't ask Poland, which can stop him. I'm only start, he will gain some SCs from me, the he'll continue in controlling Baltic Sea, by attacking Germany and Poland... I don't trust him and you also don't. @Russia, I was only trying to make collation. Also you can't expect I'll leave Norway open to you, it is key to get into North Sea and then destroy me. But now, I think war is declared... @Spain, of course, you can take Gibraltar a d Morroco and declared war to me, it is in your power. But think. We have great opportunity to attack France, if you move your units against me, I'll try to protect myself and you'll just lose time, your units will be at South, France will be powerful and quite unstoppable, he'll have easy way how to gain control of west. So I offer you Gibraltar in deal, you'll gain me safe residence in Morroco, so I won't lose a SC. You'll gain one SCs for free, I won't threat you. @Germany, Russia wants Sweden, what is easy for you to take. You can use two or three fleets against Russia which by you can't attack any other guy and with your armies, France will be quite easy target and if you don't want to attack him, you have a lot of neutral SCs around. I don't think Poland will attack you, or either Italy.
23 Jan 17 UTC	Spring, 1994: @France, I'm still able to work with you, I don't know what will be responds of Spain, or Germany, there is possibility in which we'll need each other.
23 Jan 17 UTC	Spring, 1994: When Britain wants something, it is reasonable, but when others asks, it becomes greedy, huh? Very upfront. Everyone has better opportunity to grow better than me, and I only ask 2 SCs that others can easily give. Norway does give access to North Sea but also access to mainland. So this shows your ambition to expand to mainland. If you are not greedy for SC, how about content with Ireland, Britain? Rather than discussing it, you immediately make plan to push me to a corner. So how about be silent and let the others to voice their opinion? In the end, everyone wants the best for themselves. For me? I have already satisfied to get 2 SCs while I think German, Italy and Turkey have chance to surpass me in mere a year by getting 4 SCs this year. I want to see how many SCs that you want to get, Britain?
23 Jan 17 UTC	Spring, 1994: Greetings to all from Italy! I look forward to prosperous relations with my fellow nations and I'd particularly like to extend the hand of friendship to France and Germany, my northern neighbors. With so much animosity already apparent between some, rest assured that Italy will endeavor to remain peaceful and honest, acting in good faith with all who choose to do the same. Now, to some particulars. France & Germany: I do hope we can agree not to come to blows with each other. A peaceful, respectful border between us will go far in helping us fend off any attacks on other fronts. To that end, I propose that Switzerland be handed over for Italian administration while France gets Monaco and Belgium and Germany takes Holland and Austria. Further territorial negotiations should be amicable when the time arises. Spain, Turkey, & Egypt: I'd like to avoid Mediterranean conflicts as much as possible. Spain, I believe your best move is to force Britain out of your area of the map, including Morocco, and then move northward by sea. Of course, you should take the course of action you deem best, the above is simply my opinion. I'll be moving toward Tunis, which I hope we can agree, should be Italian territory. Egypt, I am open to you potentially having Libya, but I'm open to other suggestions as well. Turkey, can we agree to divide the Balkans peacefully? All I ask for is Croatia and Serbia and I'll pledge to leave Greece, Bulgaria, and Rumania alone. Is that agreeable to you? Everyone else: While I doubt I'll have much interaction with you in the near future, I do hope to maintain friendly terms with all. Remember, Italy is someone to trust and I'm happy to act as neutral third-party in any disputes that may need resolving. Best of luck to everyone and enjoy the game!
23 Jan 17 UTC	Spring, 1994: @Italy you seem negative towards me, I don't understand. Also you're trying to make peace with everyone, but you'll have to attack someone, maybe it can be Germany and Spain (with mine and French help), maybe France (with help of everyone who border him), maybe Turkey, or even Egypt. (@All it seems like he has in plan to make alliance with Germany and France and just move away form his borders, so it will be probably also you, if you are not Germany or France, who will be under attack). So if you're going to hold peace with Germany and France and try to get 3-way draw, you are probably our enemy. If you are not going to try for it, maybe you'll say us who are you going to attack, it will be easier to cooperate with you. @Spain Italy wants alliance with Germany and France, so if they both agree, France only place to move will be you and me. Do you really want to push me away by force? If yes, you're death man, as I am. @Russia, you didn't ask me. You told me you are going for Norway. And yes, it is key for mainland, but what can I do, when I'm island country, one day, I'll need to move into mainland and I think Norway is quite accepteble for you. And since I have only fleet I can't get into mainland, what do you think? You have fleet, which will allow any supports into North Sea. I'm sorry but Norway need to be mine. I'm sorry, I was quite offensive, I would like you to calm down, maybe we can be allies in future, cause I'll be maybe under attack as you will, probably. I'm sorry also to you @France, we don't know what Spain and Germany plan, maybe we can help each other.
23 Jan 17 UTC	Spring, 1994: BRITAIN - That seems like a very fair offer. Obviously, it isn't ideal for me to be sandwiched between your forces, but it likely isn't fair that I eliminate you from your position. I presume you will be going for Morocco via SoG? ITALY - I don't intrinsically disagree with anything that you have said but your claim "Tunis should be Italian territory" is a little concerning as it is a little strong and presumptuous. Tunis is equidistant from both of us and it makes me wonder how willing you would be to share the spoils of war equally. FRANCE - It is a tough spot to be in to realize that everyone is already negotiating and you haven't started. I've been there.
23 Jan 17 UTC	Spring, 1994: @Spain, you won't be sandwiched, between us is still France and I'll not attack you. I want be loayal to you, I won't stab you. I hope you are the same in this. Of course I'll be moving via SoG, so you'll feel safe. After this autumn, I can help you with my ship, or if you don't want to help, I'll move help to guard my northern territories.
23 Jan 17 UTC	Spring, 1994: @Poland, German, Ukraine and Turkey : I am very interested to hear your proposal or position. @Britain : Maybe we start off from wrong position. However, please see from my point of view. In this year I can only go yo Norway, Sweden, Bielo and Georgia. Bielo is likely to go to Poland and Georgia is Turks or hotly contested. That is why I have only chance on taking Norway and Sweden. Not a good chance, I know. Albeit 5 SCs, Russia is almost can be considered the weakest country in this map. That is why I only ask for Scandinavia and prepare for other opportunities.
23 Jan 17 UTC	Spring, 1994: Btw Britain, German has already readied his order without giving any opinion. I think your invitation was rejected. Since that, why not we team up? It is North-North Alliance and we have fleets to control northern ocean together.
23 Jan 17 UTC	Spring, 1994: @Russia I don't think Georgia is Turkish, I feel Georgia is more Russian than Turkish and I also feel Norway is more English than Georgia Turkish. Maybe Turkey you can make alliance with Turkey and Poland against Ukraine. In that case Turkey will have worth to move into WBS. Negotiate it somehow, I think Georgia have to be yours. Also, I don't mind what you'll do with Sweden, it is up to you and your diplomacy with Germany. If you offer alliance to Poland he can support you into Sweden in case you will support him into Bielorussia instead of Ukraine. Or make alliance with Ukraine and Germany against Poland. You'll get Sweden and Bielorussia (Bielo because you need to send your armies somehow against Poland), Ukraine will send his armies south and one army will help you into Bielo. Instead your fleet will help him against Turkey and you'll get Georgia. Use your head and diplomacy. Russia has it quite difficult on this map, he can fall really easily, but he also can grow easily, you need to go for diplomacy. And if you say you want Norway, just beacuse you can't use diplomacy, you'll provocate another guy and you may destroy this map for you and for the guy you provocate. Norway is mine, use diplomacy and gain other SCs (I think little alliance with Ukraine and Egypt is wuite tempting). I would like to make peace, not a coalition, just a non-agression pact? Will your fleet stay at Murmansk?
23 Jan 17 UTC	Spring, 1994: You can see that both German and Poland are not writing anything. And I am still waiting for Turkey and Ukraine players to write something. If Turkey agrees to allow me to take Georgia, then I will consider to let you take Norway (which you can easily replace with Belgium). Dual ownership between Sweden and Norway is bad news and I have seen it too many times. So I truly don't understand why you can't just go to Belgium and get an ally rather than fight with me for Norway and both of us suffer.
23 Jan 17 UTC	Spring, 1994: Britain: I didn't mean to be aggressive toward you, I was simply letting Spain know my objective opinion of his position. I did not urge him to act against you, only offered a perspective on his options. I also understand that conflict is unavoidable in the long run, but I'm open to working with anyone else who wishes to avoid that conflict as long as possible with the peaceful division of neutral territories. Spain: Apologies if I was overly direct in regard to Tunis. I simply felt that you have other, more certain opportunities for expansion (Portugal, Gibralter, & Morocco) that should naturally be part of your territory. We are both equidistant from Tunis, but in my view, it lines up more naturally with my position geographically. I'm looking forward to working with you in the future and maintaining peaceful relations. Do you have other options for what to do with Tunis or some advice as to which direction I should go? I'd like to avoid a bounce in which neither of us benefits.
23 Jan 17 UTC	Spring, 1994: BRITAIN - I wasn't accusing you of sandwiching. Simply acknowledging the merit in the analysis of the map as provided by Italy. You have been nothing but fair in your offers and I don't see any reason to go to war with anyone that is both fair and active, which indicates to me a likelihood that you will not miss turns.
23 Jan 17 UTC	Spring, 1994: I have nothing against Italy but at this point I'd be more likely to side with Britain in a war with them. Obviously, France would have a say in the matter as well.

...