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rifo roberto (993

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03 Nov 13 UTC

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Gunboat (phase 5 minutes)

http://vdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=16592

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Captainmeme (1400

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29 Oct 13 UTC

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Imperium Diplomacy Variant Broken

Hi all,

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Argotitan (1182

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24 Oct 13 UTC

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Support Rules and Dislodgings

I'm guessing you guys play by strange rules. I've never seen this not happen outside of here: One, if a force gets dislodged, the move cuts supports/convoys. Two, to cut a support/convoy, it has to get moved towards. The supporting or convoying unit doesn't have to actually get dislodged.

Argotitan (1182 )
24 Oct 13 UTC

In sum, support holding a supporting/convoying unit only defends it from getting dislodged. It doesn't actually support the integrity of the support or convoy order.

caliburdeath (1013 )
24 Oct 13 UTC

It may not be the conventional rules, but it makes perfect sense, at least when they aren't being support held. They would have to use their forces to defend themselves.

SandgooseXXI (1294 )
24 Oct 13 UTC
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Where the hell did you learn to play the game? Most of your forum posts are just starting to piss me off with how stupid they sound.

Argotitan (1182 )
24 Oct 13 UTC

Just to give an example:

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/2285/q7in.png

What's supposed to happen is red and blue bounce.

What happens here is red takes blue 1 because red 3's support move is support held.

Argotitan (1182 )
24 Oct 13 UTC

Sandgoose, read pages 9 and 10 here for the official rules:

http://www.wizards.com/avalonhill/rules/diplomacy.pdf

Support is cut if the unit giving support is attacked from any province except the one where support is given.

A unit being dislodged can still cut support in another.

tobi1 (1997 )
24 Oct 13 UTC

http://www.vdiplomacy.com/datc.php

6.D.3

Please give evidence for your assertion that red would take blue's 1. Never experienced such a behavior on this site ...

tobi1 (1997 )
24 Oct 13 UTC

"Support is cut if the unit giving support is attacked from any province except the one where support is given.

A unit being dislodged can still cut support in another."

And that is what happens on this site as well, just look at the DATC tests ....

Argotitan (1182 )
24 Oct 13 UTC

Just to give another example:

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/8093/9s6a.png

What's supposed to happen is blue 3 cuts red 3 despite getting dislodged, so blue 1 holds.

What happens here is red 3 gets dislodged, so the move doesn't resolve and blue 1 gets dislodged too.

Argotitan (1182 )
24 Oct 13 UTC

tobi, what I've experienced is if a support moving unit gets support held, a non-dislodging move into the support mover doesn't cut the support.

tobi1 (1997 )
24 Oct 13 UTC

I experienced something different, so please give a game link to prove your assertion.

Argotitan (1182 )
24 Oct 13 UTC

Ugh... I hate going back to find examples. Let me look.

tobi1 (1997 )
24 Oct 13 UTC

http://www.vdiplomacy.com/map.php?gameID=14955&turn=29&mapType=large

Support of Baltic Sea for Nar -> Sweden cut by an attack of Lat ....

tobi1 (1997 )
24 Oct 13 UTC

... although Baltic Sea was supported ...

Argotitan (1182 )
24 Oct 13 UTC

tobi, I think a common example of this happening is in 2v2s. I've even asked about this before, and it's been confirmed.

If you have a 2v2 where two side's support moves are support moving themselves into the opposite side's support move, but one side's support move is support held, then the support held side wins.

That's not supposed to happen. It's still supposed to bounce since both sides supports are cut whether they're dislodged or not.

Argotitan (1182 )
24 Oct 13 UTC

Sorry about grammar there.

...two sides'* support moves...

...both sides'* supports...

Argotitan (1182 )
24 Oct 13 UTC

Example: http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/7235/e6e3.png

What I've been told is that red wins because its support move was support held.

In reality, red and blue should bounce since merely getting moved into cuts support.

tobi1 (1997 )
24 Oct 13 UTC

Ok, I assume, you mean something like this (around Munich and Berlin):

http://www.vdiplomacy.com/map.php?gameID=16191&turn=10&mapType=large

The Munich support is cut although it is support held by even two units. So everything works as it should with common rules.

If somebody told you, that red would win with the rules used on vdip, he simply told some rubbish.

Did I get your point now?

drano019 (2710 )
24 Oct 13 UTC
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tobi is correct. As are you Argo. In your example, they should bounce. Similarly, I've never seen anything that indicates that the rules are incorrect on here. Anyone who is telling you that red would win in your example doesn't understand how the rules work here.

Argotitan (1182 )
24 Oct 13 UTC

Alright. I'll try experimenting in some games to see how thing explicitly work.

Thanks guys.

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Decima Legio (1987

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29 Aug 13 UTC
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Fogboat invitational: type your daily memories

Classic - Fog of War gunboats are pretty popular here…

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Argotitan (1182

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13 Oct 13 UTC

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Is Diplomacy Ultimately About Luck

Years ago when I first bought the board game for a group of friends, some of them didn't want to play because they saw the game was all about luck. That idea still rings in my mind from time to time.

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Argotitan (1182

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17 Oct 13 UTC

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Is Norway Undervalued in 1066?

Something I notice when playing 1066 (v2) is that England and Normandy always do battle, and Norway usually has a lot of leeway to mop things up. I guess the larger size of the North Sea spaces give the illusion that Norway is farther away, but in reality, it's just two spaces away just like Normandy.

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Argotitan (1182

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17 Oct 13 UTC

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Looking For Replacement

http://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=16061

Germany still has over 20 SCs, and Italy looks like it's going to overrun. We could use a German player to keep things balanced.

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11 Oct 13 UTC

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Aho Mitakuye Oyasin gameID=16203

I am Tecumseh, the great Pawnee warrior and I come to your tribe with an important message. Please read below...

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Argotitan (1182

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12 Oct 13 UTC

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Rational Moves Test

You guys could really use some sort of test to license people to play games in. It's annoying when irrational players ruin the game for rational players by allowing third players to win after overrunning them.

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12 Oct 13 UTC

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GOOD POSITION SUB NEEDED

http://vdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=15723

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Argotitan (1182

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05 Oct 13 UTC

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Does Drawing in WTA Backfire?

I was wondering if the logic behind WTA draws isn't necessarily reliable. Draws allow people to make alliances, and instead of drawing against the solo winner, they simply draw among themselves instead of pursuing a solo victory. Is there a way to disable drawing so this doesn't happen?

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07 Oct 13 UTC

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NWO

Is anyone interested in a CRAZY and HUGE world variant?

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KICEMEN17 (1075

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06 Oct 13 UTC

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Risk to Diplomacy

Has anyone ever tried converting a Risk board to be a diplomacy board? If so, how did you do this?

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02 Oct 13 UTC
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Variant play testing (Gobble-Earth)

Hi
I'm looking for some people to take part in the play test of the variant Gobble-Earth; we have already filled it up halfway.

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Lukas Podolski (1234

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02 Oct 13 UTC

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Messages tab

It is rather hard to keep track of private messages under the status quo as they are integrated under the Notices tab. Is it possible for our fellow Moderators to create a Messages tab?

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David E. Cohen (1000

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27 Sep 13 UTC

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East Indies and Spice Islands Variants in Development

To separate this from the "New Variants in Development" thread, I am starting this one. The link to both maps: http://diplomiscellany.tripod.com/id23.html .

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27 Sep 13 UTC

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Diplomacy Logic

In the WWIV variant, there is a territory called EBR (East Britain) which is in the west of England. wtf????

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Argotitan (1182

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28 Sep 13 UTC

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Does Anyone Want to Play a Live Classic?

It's the weekend, so I figured maybe there's a handful of several people who want to play a classic game with 10 minute turns.

Please post here if you're interested. I'll check in regularly over the new few hours in case there's interest.

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25 Sep 13 UTC

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out of interest - what variant would you like to see as FoW?

This is purely out of interest. Add your variant of choice below, or if it is already on the list add a +1 to it. For me it would be:

Known World 901: 1

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03 Jul 12 UTC
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Whittle down

So we do not forget about this.

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25 Sep 13 UTC

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sitter(s) needed!

I will leave country on 4th October and can't guarantee internet connection for the following ten days.

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26 Sep 13 UTC

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Classic Cataclysm New game

with "Chat" gameID=16002

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General Cool (978

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24 Sep 13 UTC

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Replacements needed!

http://vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=15244

Great positions for Russia and china.

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23 Sep 13 UTC

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Issues with Viking Diplomacy

two of them:

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23 Sep 13 UTC

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VDip Rating

How do I know what my VDip rating is if I'm not in the HoF? Not the Points mind you, the VDip rating based on the elo-algorithm.

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24 Sep 13 UTC

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Being Blocked in Autumn & Empire

I am trying to join the WWIV game "Autumn & Empire, but I cannot, because one of you are blocking me. At least have the guts and tell me which one you are and why.

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JacktheGiantSlayer (815

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23 Sep 13 UTC

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Russia vs Germany

Does any side hold an advantage? What is the best play for Russia?

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23 Sep 13 UTC

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Dexter..the end

one of my favourite series ended last night. the ending was real and true to the character but for the first time I found my self actually wanting the cheesy happy end...

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18 Sep 13 UTC

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Halt's Other Challenge - Classic Layered

See below:

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Lord Skyblade (1975

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21 Sep 13 UTC

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Lab Diplomacy

I cannot get onto labdip on my computer, it just says "Error triggered: require_once(variants/Carthage/variant.php) [function.require-once]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory.

This was probably caused by a software bug. The details of this error have been successfully logged and will be attended to by a developer."
Has anyone else had this problem? (I am using google chrome, on IE it always says I'm using an invalid cookie).

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