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Luis Aldamiz (1261 D)
05 Jun 15 UTC
How do you LEAVE a game?
I'm not planning to do it but would like to know in order to help quitting positions to be filled with replacements before NMR takes place.
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mapleleaf (1155 D X)
21 Jun 15 UTC
Breaking news in the United States......
....Police arrest Charleston shooter, ask if he's comfortable, can they get him a cold beverage, offer to loosen those tight cuffs......
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axipher (1135 D)
18 Jun 15 UTC
Game ID 22697 is crashed
This game crashed a couple weeks ago and remains crashed.
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Anon (?? D)
17 Jun 15 UTC
Live EvT Game
Live EvT Game: gameID=23446
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Strider (1421 D)
13 Jun 15 UTC
Classic Map
I'm wondering what type of skew games have here?
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xywolf (919 D)
12 Jun 15 UTC
American Empire?
I'm interested in trying out the Fall of the American Emipre IV variant, but it requires 10 players, so I was wondering if anyone was interested in trying it.
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Strider (1421 D)
13 Jun 15 UTC
Classic Map
I'm wondering what type of skew games have here?
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Anon (?? D)
02 Jun 15 UTC
Help me Try a New Variant
Full Press Indians of the Great Lakes. Too many gunboat games out there for my taste.
http://vdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=23333
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Jeff Kuta (998 D)
05 Jun 15 UTC
Live Classic France v Austria starting soon!
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rick.leeds (0 D)
06 Jun 15 UTC
New Dip Zine PUBLISHED
Hi, just in case you missed it, the new Dip Zine 'The Velvet Glove' is out now. You can take a look here: http://thevelvetglovecont.wix.com/the-velvet-glove
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Cult-of-Trajan (986 D)
08 Jun 15 UTC
Replacement player needed
Looks like we need a new England in a Fog of War game. Autumn 1901.
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ScubaSteve (1089 D)
05 Jun 15 UTC
Someone to take over my games
I have a personal emergengy that might make playing almost impossible.
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RUFFHAUS 8 (2454 D)
02 Jun 15 UTC
Ding Dong, the witch is dead! Good riddance, Sepp Blatter!
Surely even Retillion cannot find a way to disagree with this news.
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renzothepro (941 D)
02 Jun 15 UTC
Battle For Colonial Empires
ANYONE PLEASE COME PLAY A QUICK AND FUN GAME ON THE COLONIAL MAP! IT HAS TONS OF THINGS TO DO.
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Marlen (1056 D)
28 May 15 UTC
Trust (a thought experiment)
I have an interesting hypothetical situation. Bonus points to whoever sees any real world parallel.
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Cult-of-Trajan (986 D)
31 May 15 UTC
Fog-of-War players needed
Need 2 more players for Grey Press Fog-of-War standard game (Hendricks)
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Anon (?? D)
02 Jun 15 UTC
To be the supreme dictator of all africa
http://vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=23348
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Hazza4569 (981 D)
01 Jun 15 UTC
2 Player ClassicGvI
http://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=23343
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Hypoguy (1613 D)
31 May 15 UTC
Octopus
Anyone interested in an Octopus game?
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Hazza4569 (981 D)
31 May 15 UTC
Droidippy Game
Does anybody use the android app droidippy? Looking for 2 more players in an invitational game 23vjvz8.
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Marlen (1056 D)
21 May 15 UTC
Rules/etiquette question
Anon full press game. I think I know who another player is. Is it cheating to attack a third player with the trust I have in this person based on their moves in the current game and past reputation?
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The Ambassador (1652 D (B) (B))
28 May 15 UTC
Is this a valid set of moves?
Read on...
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gopher27 (1226 D Mod)
21 May 15 UTC
Existential question from GOD?...
So as a bit of joke, GOD asked in an unrelated thread "What is love?" It was meant to illicit a response allusive of a music lyric. I throw out the actual question with my added subtext of how do we label our personal experiences with collective titles. Am I the only person who questions whether the "emotions" or "feelings" I attaches basic collectively defined nouns to even resemble what the words "mean" to the collective humanity? So "What is love?" but also "What is human?"
gopher27 (1226 D Mod)
21 May 15 UTC
This seems like a sufficiently odd group of people from which to seek a bit of insight on the subject. "What is friendship?" could work just as well.
Dr. Recommended (1516 D Mod (B))
22 May 15 UTC
(+1)
Life is god. Human is an agent of life, potentially gone cancerous. Emotion, etc., is a mechanism of impetus for sustaining and/or diversifying life. Diversification is essential for maximizing life's potential. Therefore, our differences are a necessary function of the long-term survival of life, and the conflict that results fuels the survival-of-the-fittest aspect of challenging, strengthening, and improving the physical manifestation of life. That doesn't mean we need war and subjugation -- as "intelligent" agents of life, we could just choose to play hockey ;)
Personally, I find musical talent to be hot. So if someone wants to interest the truth, they should sing or play a musical instrument to a very high standard.
Caerus (1470 D)
23 May 15 UTC
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kaner406 (1352 D Mod (B) (B))
23 May 15 UTC
I would say that love is a category that we construct whilst growing up to apply to various feelings that we experience and those that we learn from our cultural background. As we grow older we continue to refine our understanding of what love is according to how we have experienced the world and how that categorical construct has proven to be true or false, each time redefining and building on our experience of the word.

Love has meant very diferent things at very different points in history and likewise in different cultural environments.

I would suggest that 'what is human' is also categorical and is defined very differently following the same processes that the question 'what is love' followed above.
gopher27 (1226 D Mod)
23 May 15 UTC
@kaner....so you think love in the sense of the Italian "thunderbolt" (or colpo di fulmine) is merely a social construction with no underlying ontological substance?
kaner406 (1352 D Mod (B) (B))
23 May 15 UTC
A person's subjective experience of love is the construction, for some love is just like the Italian thunderbolt - a click experience. For others they may never have experienced this feeling and have a different experience of love based on beauty or time spent with someone etc...
However if we say that all love must have in it the thunderbolt moment, then that would be a social construction.
gopher27 (1226 D Mod)
23 May 15 UTC
So how do we (or can we) know about a commonality of experience? If you are told all you life that there are these things called "love" or even "friendship", what would stop a person of limited capacity and experience from just selecting suprema across a set of experiences and labeling them as "love" and "friendship"? What does the sociopath or the autistic know of these things? If we say that the state of being a psychopath or a sociopath is an inability to experience "intimacy" and yet we cannot meaningfully delineate between the reality and any person's labeling of suprema, then to steal a line from Alfie (or Burt Bacharach or Cher), "What's it all about?"
kaner406 (1352 D Mod (B) (B))
24 May 15 UTC
Well yes I think we do share with each other stories about love, think of all the songs out there that deal with the topic. Through these mediums we build our shared understanding of what the word means, but in the end it is entirely up to the individual to experience. Of course if you grew up on a heavy diet of popular music then your expectations of being in love will be very different to someone who grew up reading about it in novels.

As to the autistic person, or psychopath, I can't really talk to this, as my experience with these people in combination with love & intimacy is quite limited.
Banding about psychopath, sociopath, and autism is dangerous ground to tread. Autistic people, I would imagine, can experience what they call love. They may not have all the filters to know what is or isn't appropriate and may not be as emotionally mature, but a 2 year old loves mommy and daddy and an autistic person can easily love. Sociopath is a little tougher. I look to myself. I say I love my wife and my family (parents, in laws, etc.), but then I wonder if I would actually miss them if they were gone. Does that mean I don't love them? I don't know. And for what it's worth, I have been diagnosed as being a highly functioning sociopath (something very different from a psychopath). A sociopath just places higher priorities on self than others and somewhat disconnects from society depending on the degree.

I wouldn't dream to speak for a true psychopath. Perhaps they have no idea of the concept or perhaps their view is so twisted as to be unrecognizable to us.
gopher27 (1226 D Mod)
24 May 15 UTC
I don't "miss people" when they are gone, but that is the manifestation of being a fatalistic pessimist, so I am not sure that such things are meaningful measuring sticks. I spent much of my youth and early adulthood volunteering with Special Olympics and my observation is that autistic people have a terribly tough time forming attachments to even "mommy and daddy". Most people's definitions of "love" includes a heavy dose of strong empathy and intimacy which I have always found to be the key ingredients missing from the charismatic psychopaths I have known. I don't claim to have a any great capacity for diagnosis here, but I have repeatedly in my life found myself the sole person in a group left cold and unaffected by someone who eventually revealed himself to be such a being after seeming to enrapture everyone else. This is something different admittedly as such people have compensated for an inability to create intimacy or feel empathy by becoming remarkably skilled at faking them to manipulate others. Such people would seem to embody the literal definition of "high functioning" while hopefully not being what a mental health professional would mean by the phrase as they are actually incredibly toxic and damaging to those around them.
I don't many actual charming psychopaths outside fictional ones. But I know a few manipulators like that. I just don't know if I would call them psychopaths. Although I guess that is closer than calling them sociopaths as we tend to be more anti-social or just not care what other people think. When I think of autistic, I tend to think of less severe cases that often accompany other diseases like Down's sybdrome. I guess the Rain man type autism would be hard pressed to form any emotional connection of that nature.
gopher27 (1226 D Mod)
24 May 15 UTC
Sociopaths in the true sense tend to be disorganized minds who would have trouble being profoundly manipulative over any extended period of time. As for honest to God psychos, I made my closest friend from childhood in no small part because I was the only person among our peers who recoiled from his father's charms during one of the man's periodic visits. The man is a piece of work as they say, and I would not be genuinely shocked if a burial ground of inconvenient people were to turn up somewhere in California. He certainly has left a trail of metaphorically destroyed humans in his wake.
Well, I and a few others I know aren't so much disorganized as socially inept do to being logical/clinical in all we do. Even my wife says "shut off your brain and just hold me" when what I want to do is analyze the situation and find an acceptable outcome. I lack empathy in many ways. I think that's why sociopaths really couldn't be manipulative charmers. We don't empathize or understand what empathy is on a subconscious level.
gopher27 (1226 D Mod)
25 May 15 UTC
The usually pointed to technical difference between sociopaths and psychopaths is that sociopaths are more disorganized and less controlled in their thinking and actions.
So does that make the great detective a fictional psochopath instead of a highly functioning sociopath?
gopher27 (1226 D Mod)
25 May 15 UTC
WebMD:
Sociopath vs. Psychopath: What’s the Difference?
'Cold-Hearted Psychopath, Hot-Headed Sociopath'
It’s not easy to spot a psychopath. They can be intelligent, charming, and good at mimicking emotions. They may pretend to be interested in you, but in reality, they probably don’t care.

“They’re skilled actors whose sole mission is to manipulate people for personal gain,” Tompkins says.

Sociopaths are less able to play along. They make it plain that they’re not interested in anyone but themselves. They often blame others and have excuses for their behavior.

Some experts see sociopaths as “hot-headed.” They act without thinking how others will be affected.

Psychopaths are more “cold-hearted” and calculating. They carefully plot their moves, and use aggression in a planned-out way to get what they want. If they’re after more money or status in the office, for example, they’ll make a plan to take out any barriers that stand in the way, even if it’s another person’s job or reputation.

PsychologyToday:
Sociopaths tend to be nervous and easily agitated. They are volatile and prone to emotional outbursts, including fits of rage. They are likely to be uneducated and live on the fringes of society, unable to hold down a steady job or stay in one place for very long. It is difficult but not impossible for sociopaths to form attachments with others. Many sociopaths are able to form an attachment to a particular individual or group, although they have no regard for society in general or its rules. In the eyes of others, sociopaths will appear to be very disturbed. Any crimes committed by a sociopath, including murder, will tend to be haphazard, disorganized and spontaneous rather than planned.

Psychopaths, on the other hand, are unable to form emotional attachments or feel real empathy with others, although they often have disarming or even charming personalities. Psychopaths are very manipulative and can easily gain people’s trust. They learn to mimic emotions, despite their inability to actually feel them, and will appear normal to unsuspecting people. Psychopaths are often well educated and hold steady jobs. Some are so good at manipulation and mimicry that they have families and other long-term relationships without those around them ever suspecting their true nature.

When committing crimes, psychopaths carefully plan out every detail in advance and often have contingency plans in place. Unlike their sociopathic counterparts, psychopathic criminals are cool, calm, and meticulous. Their crimes, whether violent or non-violent, will be highly organized and generally offer few clues for authorities to pursue. Intelligent psychopaths make excellent white-collar criminals and "con artists" due to their calm and charismatic natures.
Luis Aldamiz (1261 D)
26 May 15 UTC
For Chaos sake! Love is an emotion, hence an instinct, just like fear, anger, sadness or happiness. It is the emotion of attachment (usually to people but can be animals or even objects, places, ideas, life itself...). Hence romantic love and platonic love (or friendship) are just variants of the same thing, just that in romantic love there are other instincts at play, typically sex (sexual desire), reproduction possibly and who-knows. Also romantic love has been idealized by Hollywood and other media, going back to Medieval troubadours possibly, in ways that are most often unrealistic, causing confusion and anxiety in people about it.

Said that, you can go through one of such marvelous relations or several but it's not necessary, nor compulsory nor probably for everyone. There's also many people more interested in sex than love in relations, what IMO is fine while its honest. In my personal experience it goes with age and opportunity largely. Nowadays I'm probably more the "sociopath" type, although I'd rather think of myself as a "misanthrope" or grumpy middle aged man. It was not always like that though.
gopher27 (1226 D Mod)
26 May 15 UTC
Then "what is fear?" How do you know that you have been "afraid"? If you have been told that "fear" exists and Hollywood has sold you a thousand horror movies, how do you know that you have ever experienced "fear" and aren't merely taking a supremum value of anxiety and labeling it with the label at hand? "Happiness", "sadness" or "anger" would have just made the rhetoric too easy.

The last time I had a conversation with someone I knew about what love is, this guy gave a definition of love directly in relation to his relationship with a woman he was asking to move across the country with him that I followed by asking how what he was describing differed from what he felt for his sister. Then he add, "plus sex." I am not sure that many people would accept as the meaning of "romantic love" "your sister (or your brother) plus sex".
At it's core, love is an emotional attachment that desires not only the other person's happiness but a willingness to give up certain degrees of one's own happiness to ensure it for the other.
gopher27 (1226 D Mod)
27 May 15 UTC
So anytime anyone makes any sacrifice that benefits someone else that is love?

I recently dedicated a lot of my time trying to help someone who is suicidally depressed transition to a better (less terrible) state of living. The experience was extremely unpleasant for me and reduced my happiness considerably. Does that definitionally require that I therefore "love" the other person? If I stop and help a stranger change a flat tire at the cost of ruining my day, must it follow by your construction that I love the random person I stopped to assist?
Did you have an emotional attachment to these people? My definition had *two* parts.
gopher27 (1226 D Mod)
27 May 15 UTC
Do we not have some nonzero degree of emotional attachment to all other people we are consciously aware of?
Caerus (1470 D)
27 May 15 UTC
Do we? Please define "emotional attachment", because, as I understand it, that is the far more limiting factor in Truths definition. I often sacrifice for others, but an I wouldn't often say I have any attachment to them.

That said, if we do have some "nonzero degree" of attachment, then I would pose that we feel a love toward them to a nonzero degree.
gopher27 (1226 D Mod)
28 May 15 UTC
I guess it is the "not only" aspect of his definition that is causing me problems. That would imply that it is the willingness to sacrifice that is the "more limiting factor".
IF the first were not also a limiting factor, then the phrase I would have used would have been "regardless of". *Both* are limiting factors as the verbiage used clearly dictates. And yes, if you feel an emotional attachment, then you feel a form of love. Maybe your atheist, but Jesus spoke of love for our fellow man. Agape love. That is what this is." John 15:13 says "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." and Jesus said, in Matthew 19:19 "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."

So yes, it is a form of love. How much you feel of it is up to you.


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Anon (?? D)
25 May 15 UTC
EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW gameID=23243
This thread is for people to confess sins safely and anonymously.

My confession is that I usually pee in the pool. Saves time, and who wants to get out to pee? The pool deck is cold.
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Billsome (911 D)
25 May 15 UTC
Classic Chaos?
I'm trying to start a game of Classic Chaos and have posted already on a new games thread, but I felt that to ever hope of reaching enough players, it needs more publicity. I had some people sign up but they've now left so if there aren't any takers this time, I'll take the hint and give up but please if anyone's interested, I really love to give this variant a try, it looks like such fun.
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kaner406 (1352 D Mod (B) (B))
25 May 15 UTC
RIP John Nash
Inventer of my 2nd favourite game in the whole world... plus being a math genius.
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Anon (?? D)
24 May 15 UTC
New game .. please join
http://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=23278
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Marlen (1056 D)
24 May 15 UTC
Any programmers here?
Two things. First anyone interested in collaborating on some project and secondly can someone explain to me why Golang's panic is a heaping pile of fecal matter? Details to follow
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Marlen (1056 D)
23 May 15 UTC
Dare to dream: The Empire of Israel
We can pull it off. Basically I propose the following attacks: USA -> Syria, Iran -> USA, USA -> Iran, USA -> Saudi Arabia. The United Islamic State -> Israel, Israel -> UIS with the creation of an empire. akurio.com/Marlen ... thoughts?
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PTTG (808 D)
14 May 15 UTC
Games like vDiplomacy, but also TripleA?
I'm looking for a game that has vDiplomacy's simultaneous turns, asynchronous multiplayer, and ideally a light or in-browser UI, BUT also has a much more complex game system (not to say that Diplomacy is bad because it is simple, but rather that I'd like an alternative).
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