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jengamaster (1053 D)
15 Aug 14 UTC
I have a couple of rules questions regarding variants.
With variants that say they do not allow for a draw, is that the case? Do those formats not have stalemate lines, or how do those games resolve if a stalemate is reached.
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Halt (2077 D)
14 Aug 14 UTC
WWIV Sealanes Game
So, the last time I tried to get one going, we hit around 26-27 players before the time limit killed it. To my knowledge, there are no games ongoing aside from those gunboats.
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KingCyrus (1258 D)
14 Aug 14 UTC
A question about the Lab
So, I wanted to do some testing in the lab. Do I need to make a separate account on lab.vdip? Or does this one work?
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Synapse (814 D)
03 Aug 14 UTC
Middle-East variant
I've started work on a variant of the contemporary Middle-East, but as I'm not an expert at balancing variants, I was wondering if someone can give me some insight into how to make it fair?

http://oi61.tinypic.com/zuf89j.jpg is a draft version.
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EFTBSTHGK1337 (943 D X)
13 Aug 14 UTC
hey I have a question
Where is meepmeep? People on webdip said he was here. Did he like retire from vdip too?
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Meckdar (987 D X)
26 Jul 14 UTC
NO DRAW ALLOWED rule
to those who complain of the players who play just to get a "draw", you can do this way:
Meckdar (987 D X)
26 Jul 14 UTC
Put in the title of the game: NO DRAW ALLOWED, and in the global chat write:
THE GAME ENDS WHEN NOBODY FOR THREE CONSECUTIVE YEARS CONQUERS OR LOSES A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF CENTERS. IN THIS GAME THE SIGNIFICANT NUMBER is 2 (EG).
WHO HAS THE MORE CENTERS WINS THE GAME AND THE OTHER PLAYERS MUST CONCEDE THE VICTORY. IF THERE IS A TIE, THE GAME CONTINUE FOR ANOTHER YEAR, AND IF THE SITUATION DOES NOT CHANGE THE GAME MUST BE CANCELLED.
actually on this particular "diplomacy" site the players who play for a "draw", are a plague
Spartan22 (1883 D (B))
26 Jul 14 UTC
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Two issues I see with that idea are as follows:

1. There is no point trying to stop a solo. Once someone is getting close, why stop them? You won't get a draw out of it and odds are that person isn't going to be losing a significant number of centers anytime soon, so why try? You could stop them with a stalemate, and then what? You end up conceding anyways.

2. Say you're playing a game that requires more than half+1 centers to win. As soon as you hit the half+1 center count, you can stop playing. Secure your lines in a stalemate and wait it out, eventually everyone has to concede to you without you doing anything.

I understand the frustration with people playing for a draw. But draws exist for a reason.
Halt (2077 D)
26 Jul 14 UTC
^ Basically what Spartan said. Draws are annoying at times, but they're still a very essential part of the game's mechanics.
Meckdar (987 D X)
26 Jul 14 UTC
I profoundly disagree with what you think, however even assuming that the mechanism of "draw" is an important part of the game, a game should be played it this way:
one player, one nation, and you play to win, then if you end up in a "draw", patience, no one won. no glory. everybody lose.
With the current mechanism the majority of people who pretend to be players, but do not understand the spirit of "diplomacy", play the entire game for a "draw". So coalitions of 2 or 3 nations are formed from the beginning and other players are doomed. The game itself is doomed. So sad.
If you do not agree please, do not write more. On other sites what I suggested worked well.
fasces349 (1007 D)
26 Jul 14 UTC
"Put in the title of the game: NO DRAW ALLOWED, and in the global chat write:
THE GAME ENDS WHEN NOBODY FOR THREE CONSECUTIVE YEARS CONQUERS OR LOSES A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF CENTERS. IN THIS GAME THE SIGNIFICANT NUMBER is 2 (EG).
WHO HAS THE MORE CENTERS WINS THE GAME AND THE OTHER PLAYERS MUST CONCEDE THE VICTORY. IF THERE IS A TIE, THE GAME CONTINUE FOR ANOTHER YEAR, AND IF THE SITUATION DOES NOT CHANGE THE GAME MUST BE CANCELLED.
actually on this particular "diplomacy" site the players who play for a "draw", are a plague"

Alternative: Put an EOG year on it, since the person winning will automatically get the win when the game ends, nobody in their right mind what vote draw in an EOG year unless they think they're not going to be winning for very long.
Meckdar (987 D X)
26 Jul 14 UTC
yes, it is an alternative.
Oli (977 D Mod (P))
27 Jul 14 UTC
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I will add a feature for moderated games to allow the game-director to block vote-buttons. A global "Disable Draw-vote"-option would cause too much trouble for the mod team, for the reasons stated above.
Decima Legio (1987 D)
09 Aug 14 UTC
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I'd love to play under this format together with you and some of your multis, lol!
Hirnsaege (1903 D)
09 Aug 14 UTC
epic :)
jimbursch (0 D)
11 Aug 14 UTC
There is something I don't understand about this draw discussion. In order for there to be a draw, don't ALL the surviving players have to agree and vote for the draw? It only takes one player to prevent a draw. Am I mistaken?
GOD (1850 D Mod (B))
11 Aug 14 UTC
yep you are right...
Guaroz (2030 D (B))
11 Aug 14 UTC
I don't think that a capital-letters title and a message in Global is the best way to set up a SRG.
Some could join it by mistake without reading the title and noticing the Special Rules too late. You don't see the Global chat of a game from the new games' list, and if you are the last one who joined, you can't even leave it.
You may say that such inattentive players are uncommon, yes maybe. Personally I don't pay much attention to titles, I focus on parameters, so I wouldn't bet on it. But why take such a risk when there's a better solution anyway.

I think it's much more safe to open a new thread, explain the SRG, recruit enough players who agree with the rules and then create a passworded game. No mistakes would be possible.
Interested people would also have the time to ask for clarifications. They'd even have the time to get answers, if the thread-opener hasn't got banned earlier. Lol.
Oli (977 D Mod (P))
12 Aug 14 UTC
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If you use the "game-moderator"-feature while creating the game you can post a description-line that's displayed in the game-description.
RUFFHAUS 8 (2490 D)
12 Aug 14 UTC
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The only oddity about the voting for draws is that the votes are cast publicly. This allows the voting to be used as a diplomatic tool to force the game to end because the single player wishing to play on begins to have no choice. Secret ballot draws are better because they allow for a more pure game, but absent a GM to evaluate whether or not the lone player obstructing a draw has good cause, the present system works better. As Oli suggested, you can achieve a no-draw parameter by setting up a moderated game game, which is in effect creating a GM. The system he established also allows a player in the game to be the GM if that is a concern. Naturally that is a scenario that would dictate a lot of trust in a player/GM.
jimbursch (0 D)
12 Aug 14 UTC
Don't you effectively set up a no-draw game simply by never voting for a draw? If you want a no-draw game, just state at the outset that you will never vote for a draw. That is an option that every player has.
Oli (977 D Mod (P))
13 Aug 14 UTC
If you are eliminated the other players still can vote for a draw.
jimbursch (0 D)
13 Aug 14 UTC
Why would an eliminated player care if the survivors vote for a draw? Sorry if I'm being thick. I'm just trying to understand the issue.

I was in a game where I took over a CD with one army and one supply center. The best outcome that I could reasonably hope for is to survive until a draw, playing the two major powers against each other. I was in a position where they both needed to prevent the other from taking my supply center.

I succeeded -- I survived and the game ended in a draw -- but I was baffled as to why one of the powers agreed to a draw. In this game I was Russia and the two powers were Italy and England. When it appeared to me that Italy had gained an advantage, England proposed a draw, and then whined and complained that a "loser" like Russia (me) shouldn't be allowed to participate in the draw. I said that if he didn't want me to participate in the draw, then his only recourse was to eliminate me from the board. He still whined and complained. But here's what baffled me -- Italy who had gained an advantage and could go for a solo, voted for the draw! That was fine for me, but it didn't make sense to me.
jimbursch (0 D)
13 Aug 14 UTC
It seems to me the real issue is a deadlocked stalemate where nobody can effect change on the board and somebody refuses to vote for a draw, forcing all the players into a never-ending game. I would call that a "never-ending game" problem, not a draw problem.


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EFTBSTHGK1337 (943 D X)
10 Aug 14 UTC
Oli sir could I have your permission?
I would like to advertise your site on my groups youtube channel and I also wanted to know if I could advertise my youtube on here if that's ok if not I understand sir.
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Synapse (814 D)
10 Aug 14 UTC
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More than 1 way chats
In face to face diplomacy not only can you step outside with a single person, but you can hold multiple conferences between 3,4 even 5 players.
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jimbursch (0 D)
10 Aug 14 UTC
hello webdip developers
I would like to get in touch with other webdip developers. The dev forum is inactive, so I'm hoping to get in touch with other developers here.
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DEFIANT (1311 D)
08 Aug 14 UTC
RE: Obama's Response to ISIS and the Refugees
There are 40,000 - 50,000 minority refugees, a majority of them Christian, fleeing for their lives from ISIS. And what is ISIS doing to these men, women and children. They are beheading the children and women and hanging the men. They are closing in these people.

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EFTBSTHGK1337 (943 D X)
11 Aug 14 UTC
So should I make one of my famous honest topic threads hmm?
Pretty please? :D covered with melted chocolate topped with nuts and banana slices with a cherry on top....man...I want icecream now.
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pjman (661 D)
07 Aug 14 UTC
Opinioniated favorite variants
Hello all! I'm not familiar with all these variants compared to what are on Webdiplomacy. I'm looking to play some games but I'm not sure which ones are really good and which ones are not so much fun. So what's popular variant wise?
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Windir (1570 D)
05 Aug 14 UTC
"Save" and "Ready" buttons aren't working. What's wrong?
I was able to successfully fill in orders for one game of mine, but the save and ready buttons aren't working on another. Here's a link: gameID=19797
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KingCyrus (1258 D)
07 Aug 14 UTC
Multiple Cancelings?
So... I was in a game of Rinacemento that had not yet started. Not enough people joined. So it canceled. And canceled. And canceled. And canceled. I have NINE messages saying it canceled, BUT, I was NOT refunded 9 times! Not to mention, it still shows up in my games... which is annoying.... I WANT MY REFUND!
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jimbursch (0 D)
06 Aug 14 UTC
Perpetual Diplomacy
Is there a variant of Diplomacy that is designed to be a perpetual game? In other words, players are free to come and go as they please, but the motivation is to be the biggest player on the board, not to "win".
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jimbursch (0 D)
06 Aug 14 UTC
Glossary update
I am working on a WebDip glossary here:
http://jimbursch.com/webDiplomacy/glossary.php
Feel free to suggest additions and/or changes..
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jimbursch (0 D)
05 Aug 14 UTC
Glossary of Terms
I'm working of a Glossary for WebDip here:
http://jimbursch.com/webdiplomacy/glossary.php
Help me gather terms and definitions.
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Dr. Recommended (1660 D Mod (B))
27 Jul 14 UTC
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Diplomacy on the Radio
I'm listening to an episode of the radio program "This American Life" about Diplomacy. Featuring the same guy who recently wrote the Diplomacy article on Grantland. Not sure if it's the current episode or a repeat, but I figured I'd mention it here for those interested. Should be available on podcast now or soon.
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jimbursch (0 D)
04 Aug 14 UTC
dev for vdip and/or webdip
Hello

I'm a php/mysql developer interested in contributing to WebDip and/or vDip.
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yaaks (1157 D)
03 Aug 14 UTC
Ftf Games
I'm trying to organize a ftf game in the Los Angeles area. Anyone interested?
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Oli, thank you for the color-blindness interface.
I have protonapia and this is awesome. That plus labeling the countries speaking global and the interactive map males it so much better and less confusing... Even on the phone (interactive doesn't let me interact but still shows what I ordered using the drop down).
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Fischfix (976 D)
09 Jul 14 UTC
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Admins please Review Chat
http://vdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=19431

Guys, i really enjoy this game but from time to time people are really unpolite in what they say in the chat. i hope some admins will look into this chat and take actions against cursing and inappropriate comments by slavic nations.
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daviidnavidad (920 D)
01 Aug 14 UTC
Noob question
Sorry to be a pain but what is gunboat
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Hirnsaege (1903 D)
30 Jul 14 UTC
Joining running games to compensate missed turns is not easy ...
... if there are so few games around to join.

I'd like to take over some country and compensate for some missed turns happily – i just can't find any game to join that are ...
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mapleleaf (1155 D X)
31 Jul 14 UTC
Russian northern opening.
I have been known to order the Saint Petersburg fleet to Finland.
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New game: Call Me a Dirty So-n-So: YCHTT edition.
All the usual a-holes are welcome to join. I'll create it after 10 total people sign up. Modern Dip (unless there is an even better variant), WTA, Full Press, phase 24-48 hours, points negotiable, non-anon.
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qznc (1237 D)
30 Jul 14 UTC
Draft: North Sea Wars Strategy
I wrote a short review-strategy-guide draft on the North Sea Wars variant:
http://beza1e1.tuxen.de/drafts/north_sea_wars_strategy.html

Feedback welcome! :)
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krellin (1031 D)
29 Jul 14 UTC
Testing 1...2...3...
http://www.tpnn.com/2014/07/29/poor-sandra-fluke-cant-afford-to-buy-her-own-birth-control-but-she-can-spend-100k-on-this/

Hmmm...Sandra Fluke said she couldn't afford the $3000/year to buy birth control (Good LORD does that chick like to f***...) but has managed to give her own Congressional campaign $100,000. Uhhhh..yeah. (By the way, birth control is like under $10/month for normal human beings...)
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Oli (977 D Mod (P))
28 Jul 14 UTC
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New default Pot-Type WTA....
As the subject suggests.
To gather a bit more feedback about this issue I changed the default from PPSC to WTA and made a big announcement about this on the gamecreation-page.
This will last for the next few month and we will see if the games get better, worse, or if nobody cares.
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krellin (1031 D)
29 Jul 14 UTC
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Who is this....
...Oli? Is he knew here?


Ahhhhhhh ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! I crack me up...
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