great! you got my point Krellin, and redirected your efforts toward a diplomacy game.
"Also I'm not sure where the notion comes from that people can not play high-level games, have discussions about gaming AND other topics."
You can talk about other things, Krellin, it's just going to get old very very fast if you post a new thread or two everyday right here on the public forum so you can argue, bicker, poke fun, and basically act like a 13 year old with a couple of your old forum pals. No one is saying you can't talk about other topics, just please don't hog the forum.
p.s. Who ever claimed vdip was a more sophisticated crowd? Smarter, maybe, but not more sophisticated. In the words of my father before me: I'm just a hillbilly, but I learned how to play the game.