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mapleleaf (1155 D)
24 Oct 14 UTC
I pointed out an Islamophobic thread to zultar.
The thread was locked, then that Islamophobic lackey of americans banned me. Tuan is a bigot. I pity his offspring.
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KICEMEN17 (1021 D)
23 Oct 14 UTC
Halloween Stories
In recognition of this fun holiday, I figured some of us should share some Halloween tales. Have at it. Personal experience (paranormal experience, party story, you as a youngin' trick-or-treating with your lads) scary story, any Halloween literature, differences between Halloween country-country, family tradition, etcetera. Have fun with it- Looking forward to seeing some neat responses.

Happy Halloween Everyone!!
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Let's try again...
Several old WebDippers and a couple.folks from here started what was turning into a good game only to have an unreliable player who shall remain nameless (just check my recent draws to find out who) went and CDed. Let's try it again. The Varian is a fun one and we just need a replacement for...
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bruckner85 (990 D)
13 Oct 14 UTC
WWII Italiana
Mi rivolgo a tutti gli utenti italiani di questo sito!!!
E' in attesa di partire una partita WWII, pot 20 per giocatori italiani. Scrivete se interessati a me e io provvederò a fornirvi la password!
Mancano solo due giocatori, accorrete!!!
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Anon (?? D)
26 Sep 14 UTC
Championship Belt, up for grabs...
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KingCyrus (1698 D)
16 Oct 14 UTC
Is Webdip down again?
Well, is it?
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Synapse (814 D (B))
10 Oct 14 UTC
Can we get this Middle East test game going?
6 players needed for testing the Middle East variant on the lab.

URL is: http://lab.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=222
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cypeg (2619 D)
12 Oct 14 UTC
Autumn and Empire EOG/AAR
A game that lasted forty game years, from 2101 till 2140.
World War IV - WTA - EoG: 100 SCs - Game won by cypeg

We all invested and devoted significant time, sweat, emotions, thoughts. Thank you everyone for playing this exciting and thrilling game. I believe most would love to hear an after action report by all those players who contributed to the changing dynamics of this game.
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Anon (?? D)
13 Oct 14 UTC
Fog of War (New)
Classic Fog gameID=20969 starts when full.
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Windir (1570 D)
12 Oct 14 UTC
What is the victory condition for the Dark Ages variant?
The "special territories" section of the variant specifies that 19 centers are required for victory as a simple majority (18.5 rounds to 19), while the variant parameters states that 20 are needed. I saw a game drawn with one player owning 19, so this leads me to think that the latter is correct. Is this some kind of error, or did the creator decide on making it 20 instead while forgetting to change the special rules/information?
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Leopard (1045 D)
05 Oct 14 UTC
I hate the moderator.

He banned two of my accounts on WebDiplomacy.
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interesting dilema regarding whether something is metagaming or not...
More within...
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tru ninja (0 D)
09 Oct 14 UTC
2014 Webdiplomacy Tournament
Last call for entrants. It will be a fantastic and expectantly CD-free tournament. I will message players about board to maintain anonymity in 2 days.
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tru ninja (0 D)
05 Oct 14 UTC
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2014 Webdiplomacy Tournament on Webdip
For anyone interested in a REAL tournament, we on webdiplomacy.net are putting together a 3-round tournament. There's a $10 buy-in. WTA, 36 hour phases, anonymous, classic map with full press. Prizes include plaques for top 3 places and best country awards. Games are filling until October 11th. Games start October 12th.
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Jamie_T (895 D)
08 Oct 14 UTC
@ SYnapse: "Jamie every time you challenge me on a legal point you are proven wrong."

I didn't say you were wrong on this point. Others have said that. What I said was that you'd provided nothing in support of your claim that Tru_Ninja's tournament is illegal. That is true, because you haven't.

I'm currently doing a Masters in Law, by the way, since you're playing the "I've studied law" card.
Octavious (0 D)
08 Oct 14 UTC
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I've watched several episodes of Perry Mason, which I believe trumps all of you :)
Synapse (814 D (B))
08 Oct 14 UTC
What a striking example of the failings of academia.
tru ninja (0 D)
08 Oct 14 UTC
@kaner: while I think your question is aimed at looking at the legality of the issue more than interest in actually participating, I will answer your question for the sake of any argument among the disapproving crowd ^^

The tournament is designed to bring the experienced of FtF tournaments we have around the globe to the internet community. In these tournaments, it has been clearly identified that it is acceptable and legal to collect money to (a) pay for a venue and (b) purchase awards and (c) purchase catering to the event in one facet or another. The issue becomes illegal when one or more individuals profit from the competitions since this is, in essence, Hasbro losing money as a result of a tournament.

This tournament is setup in a similar fashion. We have collected the lowest amount possible ($10) based on the number of entrants into the competition. Money is collected to (a) pay for the venue and (b) pay for awards.

Here, the 'venue' is the site itself. Money goes to the site in the form of a donation. This donation helps keep the site running and pays for the coding necessary to setup a page in recognition of the award winners. This is equivalent to playdip's collection of $1 to pay for site maintenance and upkeep and gives users access to their 'stats' page.

The awards are as follows: 1 'Champion' plaque for 1st place, a 2nd place and 3rd place plaque for the two runner-ups, and 7 'best country' awards which are all common to FtF tournaments. In addition, if we can garner the necessary numbers, we can also purchase a 'best stab' plaque which is voted on by all entrants.

The tournament consists of 3 rounds of play. Talent will be fairly distributed among all games to ensure fair results. Games are setup October 11th (3 days from this post). The bet is 5 D or another fairly decided-upon value that is agreeable by all in a particular board. New rounds start November 1st and December 1st. Pauses are granted for those traveling as long as the time does not exceed a 'fair' amount. In terms of long-term absences (typically longer than a week), a player should request the presence of a 'sitter' to play their account until that person's return.

The official scoring system used for this tournament is called "better than averages" in which players score points by center count based on the country in which they are playing and compared to the outcomes of all players playing that country to that point. Players that do better than others playing the same country earn points while those doing worse lose points. Each player begins with 50 D and scores are updated at the completion of all boards for any particular round.

A thread will be setup for the forum at large to follow along with the tournament. Placing is based on points at the end of the tournament with a tie being broken by highest center count across all three games. Best Country awards will be given to the players with the highest center count for each respective country.
Jamie_T (895 D)
08 Oct 14 UTC
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@ SYnapse: What a striking example of you making a claim about something being illegal, and then being unable to support your claim despite being challenged.

I challenge you to cite legislation or relevant case law which would in any way suggest that an online Diplomacy tournament, with a very small buy-in, and with prizes of no cash value, would be "illegal".

Unless you can do this, I suggest you shut up.
Synapse (814 D (B))
08 Oct 14 UTC
R v Kelly 2008
Octavious (0 D)
08 Oct 14 UTC
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The judgment of R v Kelly concerned games of Texas Holdem poker, and the conviction was based on it being played for money and poker being a game of chance.

I look forward to your argument that Diplomacy is a game of chance, Synapse :)
Synapse (814 D (B))
08 Oct 14 UTC
It so obviously is!
Guys, guys, guys... It isn't illegal in the US in any state I'm aware of for the simple fact it isn't a game of chance. There is no random factor involved. It is more akin to a cornhole tournament or bowling league. And, it is my understanding that the money is being used to buy trophies. There is no prize money and the house isn't keeping any I am aware of so it doesn't run afoul of any racketeering charges or RICO statutes.We can let that part of it go. Sorry SY, but on that you are wrong. But only that part.
Synapse (814 D (B))
08 Oct 14 UTC
What about the IRS?
Jimbozig (1219 D)
08 Oct 14 UTC
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No it isn't illegal because nobody is making money off it. There is no need for the organizer to declare it on their income tax returns because there is no expectation of income ever being earned.

Synapse kindly stop being an idiot.
Tomahaha (1170 D)
08 Oct 14 UTC
and if the winner won cash, it is his responsibility to claim those winnings, not the tourney organizers. Not unless it was a LARGE sum of money anyways. But no money paid out = no problem.

As far as the organizers collecting money, again, that is their problem as far as reporting goes. (and this is obviously no problem for them either) But you as a player should have no concern. Do you check if the grocery store you buy bananas at paid their taxes?
Not your concern!
y2kjbk (1512 D)
08 Oct 14 UTC
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It is their concern because it deals with a tournament on a website they were banned/chased from so they have a moral obligation to complain about it.
Yeesh! I originally posted as a joke implying the best were over here and not allowed over there. This got way too OOC. Mellow folks. Nothing illegal. No income for the person or organization of any significant amount. Undrr $500 from outside sources need not be declared and they are just using it to buy trophies which is what we used to do on bowling leagues so no tax issues or prize money issues. Just Tru claiming he has been here so long when all he has ever done us advertise for the other site.
Jamie_T (895 D)
09 Oct 14 UTC
So we are all agreed that SYnapse was wrong.

Good.
Jamie_T (895 D)
09 Oct 14 UTC
Just for the full summary, which Octavious has mentioned in part:

R v Kelly 2008 concerned a case under the Gaming Act 1968 (UK legislation).

The Gaming Act 1968 specifically regulates "gaming" which is defined as follows:

" 'Gaming' means the playing of a game of chance for winnings in money, or money's worth"

It is my understanding that the prizes in this tournament will be "plaques" that are not real physical items, but a graphic next to the player's username - like a comedy cube. These, I hope we can agree, have no monetary worth. Therefore the case law SYnapse quoted does not apply to this tournament, because:

1. Diplomacy is not a game of chance
and
2. In the case of the tournament, it is not being played for money, or money's worth.
Synapse (814 D (B))
09 Oct 14 UTC
The Gambling Act you're citing was succeeded by the Gambling Act 2005.
Jamie_T (895 D)
09 Oct 14 UTC
Read the case law properly, mister "I know about the law".

The judgement from the Court of Appeal in the Kelly case specifically quoted from the 1968 Act.

R. v KELLY CA [2008] 2Cr. App. R. 11
Jamie_T (895 D)
09 Oct 14 UTC
But since you mention the 2005 Act, it uses exactly the same definition of a "prize" as the 1968 Act, specifically:

"money or money's worth"

As we have established already, the prize in this tournament is not money, nor is it money's worth.

Thus, your claim that the tournament is "illegal" is still wrong. It is not offering a prize of the kind that would bring it within the scope of the Gambling Act 2005.
Synapse (814 D (B))
09 Oct 14 UTC
The regulations set a fixed limit of £5 per game on the amount that may be staked by a player in any type of equal chance gaming. As $10 this is equivalent to a £6.18 stake in the game making it subject to the Gambling Act 2005.
Jamie_T (895 D)
09 Oct 14 UTC
You are still wrong. The £5 stake limit does not apply in this case, because the Act itself does not apply to the Diplomacy tournament in question.

The basic definition of gaming, in Part 1 (6) of the Act, says:

"In this Act “gaming” means playing a game of chance for a prize."

"Equal chance gaming" is then further defined within the basic overall definition of "gaming".

The Gambling Act 2005 does not apply to this Diplomacy tournament because:

1. Diplomacy is not a game of chance;
and:
2. It is not being played for a "prize" (within the definition of "prize" stated in the Act, as previously explained).

You remain wrong.
The plaques are to be real, not icons. That said, it isn't a game of chance so gambling laws are not being violated.
Jamie_T (895 D)
09 Oct 14 UTC
Right. It's definitely not a "game of chance".


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goldfinger0303 (1617 D)
08 Oct 14 UTC
Heya you
Coma joina our game, "Tu quoque, Brute, fili mi!"

gameID=20885
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mfarb (1338 D)
06 Oct 14 UTC
wwiv tie
What happens if two countries reach the victory condition on the same year?
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mfarb (1338 D)
21 Sep 14 UTC
WWIV game
hey!
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kaner406 (1416 D Mod (B) (B))
04 Oct 14 UTC
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Where would you go to see... if money or time were no object?
One of them for me would be Cherrapunji in India:
http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/root-bridges-cherrapungee
I have heaps of other places I would like to visit, but would like to hear about where people here would like to go as well.
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Jamie_T (895 D)
05 Oct 14 UTC
Interactive map contrast / brightness
Hey, is it just me, or is the interactive map really, really dark for some reason?
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Morandini (1026 D)
01 Oct 14 UTC
fast game
anybody interested in a E v T 5 minutes / turn game?
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Jamie_T (895 D)
01 Oct 14 UTC
I'd like to try Fog of War
Please join me!

gameID=20871
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RUFFHAUS 8 (2501 D)
21 Apr 14 UTC
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VDip Characters in their Game of Thrones Roles
Here's a look at the VDiplomacy community if it was place in George R.R. Martin's Song of Fire and Blood series:


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EFTBSTHGK1337 (943 D)
26 Sep 14 UTC
well...sh*t
I have no free time anymore! God the act and sat are a b*tch to pass. T_T I'm retaking it Saturday...yay. I want to play diplomacy and hangout with my friends so we can post more videos but I can't.
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~ Diplomat ~ (1036 D X)
29 Sep 14 UTC
Apologies Note
I am sorry fellow players. I had two accounts on vDiplomacy. First one being "~:Prestige:~" and another one this.
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KICEMEN17 (1021 D)
22 Sep 14 UTC
Interactive Map Orders- Sealanes
Hey I've been in some WWIV games and I LOVE the interactive map orders. It makes entering a phone 1000 times easier. I notice this option is not available for the Sealanes WWIV map- any chance it will be in the future?
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Jamie_T (895 D)
21 Sep 14 UTC
Greetings
Many of you who also play at Webdiplomacy know me there as "jamiet99uk". I've decided to come and play here as well. Hello!

(Weirdly, some other freak has already registered "jamiet99uk" here, so I can't use that username. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery though, I suppose)
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Aranith (1407 D)
23 Sep 14 UTC
Sitter needed
Hey there,I urgently need a sitter for my place in the anonymous game " lol this is random". I moved this week and wont have Internet for 2 weeks but my tiny iPhone display.
I hope you are able to help me. Just message me!
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zurn (1178 D)
29 Aug 14 UTC
Necromancer: a Lord of the Rings variant
This is a pretty interesting variant, where many of the factions have special powers. Anybody interested in playing? We have two players and a GM, need 6 more.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/irene.rich/Gary/Diplomacy/Necromancer/
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Captainmeme (1400 D Mod (B))
20 Sep 14 UTC
Stepping down as a Moderator
Hi all,
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goldfinger0303 (1617 D)
16 Sep 14 UTC
I want to play a game
There are lots here whom I've enjoyed playing with (and hopefully vice versa). Anyone - old or new - up for a game? I don't have any preferences except WTA and 36 hr phases.
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