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Jimbozig (1179 D)
30 Jan 13 UTC
Succession EOG
Congrats to Decima a good win. A couple things I wanted to talk about including why everyone voted Draw so early and also how to form stalemates. gameID=11133
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Hominidae (726 D)
30 Jan 13 UTC
Join this Modern Diplomacy game!
I gave this game a 2-day start time by accident. We need six more people!
gameID=12223
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Mapu (2086 D (B))
26 Jan 13 UTC
World Game only needs a few more players
gameID=12086

Several good countries still available... Don't let it expire -- join now!
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GOD (1791 D Mod (B))
26 Jan 13 UTC
sitter needed!
i need a sitter for the first ten days of february...anyone want to sit my games meanwhile?
im mostly well positioned :)
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Anon (?? D)
23 Jan 13 UTC
New Fog game
http://vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=12146
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Imagonnalose (992 D)
16 Jan 13 UTC
Crowded Game interest
Hey guys, just looking around to see if there is any interest in a crowded variant game? I want it to be a tactical nightmare so it will be gunboat. But I would prefer it to be a fairly classy match. Since I can't claim to have the best RR in the world, I'd prefer you to at least match my RR. PM any interest. The game will be password protected.
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Strauss (863 D)
23 Jan 13 UTC
Fall America, 1 days, 12 hours /phase
Still need 3 players -> gameID=12105

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Anon (?? D)
22 Jan 13 UTC
Fog of War?
Anyone interested in a classic Fog of War game? Join in!

http://www.vdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=12114
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iLLuM (1569 D)
09 Jan 13 UTC
Ambition & Empire Variant
http://www.variantbank.org/results/rules/a/ambitionandempire.htm

The special thing: There are neutrals and each major power has influence points to order the neutrals around.
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equator (1514 D)
20 Jan 13 UTC
what about music
examples of epic music I like to hear when playing dip:
O Fortuna-Carl Off
Duel of the Fates-John William
O Varium Fortune-Corvus Corax
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Anon (?? D)
19 Jan 13 UTC
Whoever is Mali in H. Rider Haggard's Prize
http://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=11412
You are a SOB for saving on a retreat phase for 7 days
I can't believe I joined this game I didn't notice the phase was 7 days, what a jerk. And worst part is there's no diplomacy because messages are disabled, if anyone else from the game reads this, attack Mali
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Mertvaya Ruka (1468 D)
18 Jan 13 UTC
Variant Possibility Question
I'm unfamiliar with coding, but I had a question. Would it be possible to have a variant with an "elective SC?" That is, a number of players vote on which power gains control of an unconquerable SC that can't be built in? Ideally, the list of electors would be limited and there'd be a way to determine how many votes they get, but right now, I'm curious about the general case. Thanks!
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Jimbozig (1179 D)
18 Jan 13 UTC
game needs players
http://vdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=12034
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Mertvaya Ruka (1468 D)
04 Jan 13 UTC
Most Admired Historical Figure
Another topic I'm sure most people here will have strong opinions about. Have at it!
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fasces349 (1007 D)
07 Jan 13 UTC
As to answer the aforementioned question;

I will nominate a few:
Emperor Trajan. As emperor he expanded Rome to its height. It remained that large until Hadrian (next emperor) stopped the war effort against Thrace, Germania and Parthia ceding land in the deal.

He was a capable military commander winning multiple wars and battles. A great military strategist being able to fight multiple wars on multiple fronts while winning (though at this time Romes strength helped a lot) and more importantly, he is (according to Edward Gibbon), one of the most benevolent Roman Emperors.

General Tsubodai: Mongolia's most decorated general and was largely responsible for Mongolia's success. He was born a blacksmith and was the first of Genghis' commanders who was elevated entirely based on his skill, rather then family name being taken into consideration. He was the commander of Mongolia's first successful siege of walled city (prior to that Mongolia was fighting entirely on the plains and attacking towns and villages without the proper defences). He was able to take a chinese city with a 10,000 man garrison using only 800 men. Against Rus and Hungary he would give his troops battle plans days in advance so that they could move around and encircle enemies well before the battle started and without the need to constantly contact his men during battle. His ability to predict enemy movements and battle plans is, to my knowledge, been unmatched in history.

Henry Ford: Grew up a farmer, founded the assembly line which greatly expanded the efficiency of American industry. One of my fav quotes:
"There is one rule for the industrialist and that is: Make the best quality of goods possible at the lowest cost possible, paying the highest wages possible."

His estimated net worth in 2007 dollars (according to Forbes) was 188 billion, which puts him near the top of the list of richest people of all time. (For those who are interested the Rothschild family tops that list).

Lee Kuan Yew:
Founder of the Republic of SIngapore, under his guidance the country went from an inflation adjusted GDP per capita of $500, to a GDP per capita of $60,000 (3rd highest in the world according to the IMF and World Bank and 5th highest according to the CIA Factbook)

Adam Smith:
Founder of economics, a profession that greatly interests me, and one that I am in the middle of a major right now.

John Locke:
founder of liberalism, the political ideology I subscribe too.

Yamato Takeru as well as the Tokugawa Dynasty:
While I do disagree with them on politics and economics (being a classical liberal), the Bushido code has always fascinated me as a diplomat. I try to follow a code of morals and ethics in diplomacy and try to be as honourable as possible in the game. In this sense I am pretty contradictory in my nature. If you talk to me about politics or economics, you will find me to be quite the ethical egoist. Talk to me about warfare, history or diplomacy deontological ethics is what I believe in.

Given that on this site we primarily see my deontological side, I thought I might as well nominate the two most shining examples of deontological ethics in history. Takeru being the founder of the Bushido code and the Tokugawa dynasty for being the central government during the only time in history where the whole country embraced this philosophy.

I think this is a pretty good starting list for my favourite people in history,
RUFFHAUS 8 (2490 D)
07 Jan 13 UTC
"You have your history slightly mixed up. The emancipation proclamation outlawed slavery in the confederate states."

I got the 13 and 16th Ammendement confused, yes. However, the Emancipation Proclamation did nothing to abolish slavery in the Confederacy. Lincoln had no authority over the Confederate Staes in 1863, and therefore his proclamtion was meaningless. And to be 100% accurate the 13th ammedndemtn did not abolish slavery in the Confederacy UNTIL the thriteen states rejoined the union.

"the 13th amendmant, passed by Lincoln 2 years later outlawed slavery in all states "

Lincoln did not pass the 13th Ammendment or any other ammendment. The president has no role at all in the passage of constitutional ammendments.

The secession from the union, sparing the 'Civil War' was not treasonous. States were legally allowed to seceed from the union as a provision of the Constitution. Lincoln started the war by ordering troops to invade Virginia.
TheDominator97 (703 D)
07 Jan 13 UTC
Winston Churchill. Enough Said.
equator (1514 D)
07 Jan 13 UTC
Agree with G-man; had not posted Gandhi, cos I must admit that I don't fully know the subject, but the few things I know seem impressive to me.
fasces349 (1007 D)
07 Jan 13 UTC
Agree with the Dominator and forgot to post that last night.

@Ruffahaus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

"President Lincoln and other Republicans were concerned that the Emancipation Proclamation, which in 1863 declared the freedom of slaves in ten Confederate states then in rebellion, would be seen as a temporary war measure, since it was based solely on Lincoln's war powers. The Proclamation did not free any slaves in the border states nor did it abolish slavery.[1] Because of this, Lincoln and other supporters believed that an amendment to the Constitution was needed."
Alcuin (1454 D)
07 Jan 13 UTC
Anyone mind if I add some of my relatives:

Samuel Insull (1859-1938) was my grandfather's first cousin. He was born in Lambeth, South London. Emigrated to the USA, became Thomas Edison's secretary, founded the Chicago Transit Authority, built Chicago Opera House and eventually amassed a fortune of 2 Billion dollars (1928 dollars - not sure what that is in today's terms). He was charged with mail fraud, ran away but was extradited by Turkey although at the trial, he was acquitted. He died in Paris but was not (as urban legend suggests) penniless.

Walter Savage Landor (1775-1864) was the last poet to have a substantial body of work in Latin, He also wrote in English and Italian but is best known for the poem Rose Aylmer, written while he was in his early twenties, and his "Imaginary Conversations" between historical and mythical figures.

Jack Sheppard (1702-1724) a notorious thief, hanged at Tyburn. His claim to fame as "Springheeled Jack" came from his escape from Newgate Gaol with his hands and feet in irons. (He was a distant cousin but I can't work out the numbers. His father was my paternal grandmother's maternal grandmothers great great grandfather).
Mertvaya Ruka (1468 D)
07 Jan 13 UTC
@Alcuin, that's awesome! I'd love to hear more about famous relatives. I'm pretty sure I've got none...
steephie22 (933 D)
07 Jan 13 UTC
Judas, for betraying the guy who caused a lot of crusades and alike, although probably not on purpose against non-christians...
Also he played his part in "God's plan", although he would burn forever in hell if he obeyed God...
Too bad he didn't kill Jesus before he put all that trouble in motion...
Mertvaya Ruka (1468 D)
07 Jan 13 UTC
@fasces, my favorite Henry Ford story is the time he raised his staff's salaries, because he wanted them to be able to buy the cars they were making. His shareholders sued him, successfully, for wasting profits, and he was forced to lower their salaries again. People are jerks.
iLLuM (1569 D)
07 Jan 13 UTC
In my view there are two outstanding diplomatic characters.

Karl August von Hardenberg (1750-1822) Prussian diplomat

He was a Prussian diplomat and the main negotiator for Prussia at the congress of Vienna in 1815. After Napoleon's final defeat, there were many regions where ownership was disputed. Hardenberg managed to almost double the landmass of Prussia by claiming many of these areas at the congress of Vienna and basically lay the foundations for all future events to unite the German states. Without him, A Germany would have been unlikely. There was German nationalism which resulted from being against the French, but it was very fuzzy statewise.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_August_von_Hardenberg)


Vyacheslav Molotov (1890-1986) - Russian Diplomat

He survived as a diplomat under Stalin, already that should be an amazing achievement. But there is more to it. It was 1942 when Operation Barbarossa was in full motion. The Nazis had just taken Minsk and Stalin left Moscow and locked himself in at his countryhouse. He was fatalistic, believed all to be lost and was waiting for somebody to execute him and make a deal with Hitler. Likewise all of Stalin's staff were afraid to talk to Stalin as they feared being executed for treason.
It was Molotov who went to Stalin and the story goes that The Joe was so surprised that his old Buddy Molotov was going to have him executed (believing it was the revolt) that he actually received him. The rest is history. Molotov spent two days with Stalin convincing him to make a speech and bring back morale, which Stalin did. Molotov definitely deserves a lot of credit for making Operation Barbarossa the failure that it was!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vyacheslav_Molotov

I am also thinking of many admired military figures, but hey maybe it is a different thread.
DEFIANT (1311 D)
07 Jan 13 UTC
Renaldo Maximus

It was those mean rebels that fired on Fort Sumter, thus starting the civil war. Dang Rebels just can't hold those bullets, fire first ask questions later. ;)
Mertvaya Ruka (1468 D)
07 Jan 13 UTC
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@iLLuM, damn, I could make a list of just Most Admired Prussians. Hadn't heard much about Hardenberg before, though. (You know, considering I have a 50% chance of getting "berg" or "burg" right, I seem to be wrong 90% of the time when I'm not sure.) The Great Elector, Frederick William I, Fritz, vom Stein, Blucher, Gneisenau, Yorck, Bismarck... And now a new one to add to the list.
cypeg (2619 D)
07 Jan 13 UTC
Though I do not know much about the CIvil War, it seems to me that the 13th amendement and the abolishion of slavery was a diplomatic manouvre. one that tried to negate the people's aargument for the war ..slavery for or against..
General Cool (978 D)
08 Jan 13 UTC
Actually, It was adopted just as the war ended. A final piece to seal the deal!
Decima Legio (1987 D)
14 Jan 13 UTC
Gaius Julius Caesar.

Consul during the latest period of the Roman republic, writer, general (most notably known for the campaign in Gallia, current France), winner of the subsequent Roman civil war, self-appointed dictator, fine politician, undisputed key figure during Rome’s transition from Republic to Empire.

Later on, Roman Emperors were called with the title “Caesar”.

As I had occasion to say in http://www.vdiplomacy.com/forum.php?viewthread=37490#37490 ,
Roman traditions didn’t die after the Empire’s collapse, but echoed in the Western world until today. Same thing applies to the title “Caesar”:

Καῖσαρ : Byzantine title
Kayser-i Rûm : Ottoman title
Caesar : Holy Roman Empire
Czar : Russian title
Scià : Persian title (I may be wrong on this)
Kaiser : German title

… and a bunch of other minor empires/cultures used that title in behalf of Julius Caesar.
Ironlakie (973 D)
16 Jan 13 UTC
To be honest?

Simon Bolivar... he was a better George Washington than George Washington ever was...
RUFFHAUS 8 (2490 D)
16 Jan 13 UTC
I like Caesar too, Decima, and great post. But "Czar" is Polish. "Tsar" is Russian
RUFFHAUS 8 (2490 D)
16 Jan 13 UTC
Simon Bolivar looks pretty cool too, but that's a whopper of a hyperbole.
RUFFHAUS 8 (2490 D)
16 Jan 13 UTC
@Fasces: Im well aware of the Unites States Constitutio, and the process for ammending it. It does not include the President at all. Therefore Abraham Lincoln had nothing to do with abolishing slavery. The logic behind the 13th Ammendment was not only based in fear the Emancipation Proclamation would not suffice to abolish slavery, it was based in fact. Slavery could only be legally abolished by a constitutional ammendment. The Emancipation Proclamation was propaganda designed to create internal unrest within the Confederate States, a sovreign nation over which Lincoln had no authority until 1865. The Congress and the State legislates onf the United States abolished slavery, not Abraham Lincoln (the guy who told us that blacks were not equal to whites and should be sent back to Africa).
fasces349 (1007 D)
16 Jan 13 UTC
@Ruffhaus: The debt ceiling can only be raised by the house of representatives. The President has no say over it.

Therefore the fiscal cliff that America almost went over had nothing to do with Obama. I'm using your logic on a modern day example.
Decima Legio (1987 D)
16 Jan 13 UTC
Tsar is the modern Russian title. Looks like Czar is the ancient (1500 or so) Russian term.
kaner406 (2061 D Mod (B))
16 Jan 13 UTC
czar (n.)
1550s, from Russian tsar, from Old Slavic tsesari, from Gothic kaisar, from Greek kaisar, from Latin Caesar. First adopted by Russian emperor Ivan IV, 1547.

tsar (n.)
1660s, the more correct Latinization of Russian czar, from prehistoric Slavic *tsesar, from a Germanic source, ultimately from L. Caesar

Caesar:
c.1200, see caesarian; Old English had casere, which would have yielded modern *coser, but it was replaced in Middle English by keiser, from Norse or Low German, and later in Middle English by the French or Latin form of the name. Cæsar was used as a title of emperors down to Hadrian (138 C.E.), and also is the root of German Kaiser and Russian tsar (see czar). He competes as progenitor of words for "king" with Charlemagne (Latin Carolus), as in Lithuanian karalius, Polish krol. In U.S. slang c.1900, a sheriff was Great Seizer.

shah (n.)
title of the king of Persia, 1560s, shaw, from Persian shah, shortened from Old Persian xšayathiya "king," from Indo-Iranian *ksayati "he has power over, rules" from PIE *tke- "to gain control of, gain power over" (cf. Sanskrit ksatram "dominion;" Greek krasthai "to acquire, get," kektesthai "to possess"). His wife is a shahbanu (from banu "lady"); his son is a shahzadah (from zadah "son").

caesarian (n.)
1923, shortening of Caesarian section (1610s); supposedly from Caius Julius Caesar, who was said to have been delivered surgically, thus legend traces his cognomen to Latin caesus pp. of caedere "to cut" (see -cide). But if this is the etymology of the name, it was likely an ancestor who was so born (Caesar's mother lived to see his triumphs and such operations would have been fatal to the woman in ancient times). And Pliny derives his cognomen from caesaries "head of hair," since the future dictator was born with a full one. Caesarian section may come directly from caesus.
RUFFHAUS 8 (2490 D)
16 Jan 13 UTC
"Therefore the fiscal cliff that America almost went over had nothing to do with Obama. I'm using your logic on a modern day example. "

You are correct. The House is to balme for that mess, and for agreeing to the president's requests.
fasces349 (1007 D)
16 Jan 13 UTC
"for agreeing to the president's requests."
But Ruffhaus, that means you acknowledge that the president did have some involvement in the negotiations, did he not?

Yes Lincoln didn't 'vote' on the 13th amendment, but he certainly played a key role in convincing some of the democrats (iirc 85 Republicans, 25 unionists and 12 Democrats voted YAY on the ammendment). In anycase:
"President Lincoln took an active role in working for its passage through the House by ensuring the amendment was added to the Republican Party platform for the 1864 presidential election and using his powers adroitly. After heavy arm-twisting and promises of patronage, the House narrowly reached the two-thirds majority needed to pass the bill on January 31, 1865, by a vote of 119 to 56. The Thirteenth Amendment's archival copy bears an apparent Presidential signature, under the usual ones of the Speaker of the House and the President of the Senate, after the words "Approved February 1, 1865"."
copy and pasted from wikipedia
Mertvaya Ruka (1468 D)
16 Jan 13 UTC
Caesar was already his family's cognomen for a long time, so it's impossible for the cognomen to come from Caesar himself. He might have had a hairy ancestor, though. Or he might have had a bald one. Romans found mocking deformities (which is what they considered baldness) hilarious. Another Roman, Appius Claudius Caecus, got the cognomen for being blind. According to Wikipedia, he also hated the sound of the letter Z, which isn't relevant, but is interesting...
Decima Legio (1987 D)
16 Jan 13 UTC
I forgot to mention:
when you say "July" you're naming Caesar's family :-)
Mertvaya Ruka (1468 D)
16 Jan 13 UTC
How do you think July would be as a girl's name? Like, as the month. Cuz I like it, but everyone else thinks my hypothetical future kid'll hate me.
fasces349 (1007 D)
17 Jan 13 UTC
I think his family name was Julius and that his given name was Ceaserus. However the emperors succeeding him took on his name, Octavius renamed himself Augustus for example.
Mertvaya Ruka (1468 D)
17 Jan 13 UTC
Both Julius and Caesar were family names. His "first name" was Gaius. As was his father's. As were many of his relatives. It makes reading Roman history confusing, mostly because about 17 names made up over 90% of Patrician first names, and families tended to use family names. Appius is almost always a Claudius, for instance. Gaius is the praenomen. Julius is the nomen, our surname. Caesar is a cognomen, which is an earned name. It was often hereditary, too, though. So while some Fabius once earned the cognomen Maximus, it was passed down the family line, even to less than maximal Fabii.
G-Man (2466 D)
17 Jan 13 UTC
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I think July is a great name for a girl.


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kikker82 (1102 D)
11 Jan 13 UTC
sdasd
xcaf
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Buggy Virus (1287 D)
14 Jan 13 UTC
Ultra High Unit Games/Variants
Derp-Summary message for long dumb post.
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GOD (1791 D Mod (B))
14 Jan 13 UTC
WWIV description
recently playing some WWIV games i noticed that the variant description is not sufficient, as it does not tell anything abou IST, PAN, and EGY and also doesnt tell you that fllet cant move into territories that are bordered by this arctic territory, eg YUK and SRG...it is not optimal that you have to send units to these territories to find out what the rules there are...and asking in the public chat might give away plans...
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Anon (?? D)
14 Jan 13 UTC
gameID=11973
need 2 more for anon Aussie game
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airborne (970 D)
13 Jan 13 UTC
If I attempt to date a Jewish girl at college...will I burst into flames?
I ask this because my rural peers have firmly stated this will happen to me if I do...
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I'm Back!
Who wants to play a nice classic game?
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Decima Legio (1987 D)
10 Jan 13 UTC
Betelgeuse : EoG thread
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Anon (?? D)
13 Jan 13 UTC
New game, player left before the first turn, need a fill in, modern dip 2
First turn hasn't happened yet, modern dip 2 Spain left the game, need a fill in

http://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=11951
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Anon (?? D)
02 Jan 13 UTC
Replacement needed
gameID=11395 needs a replacement Russia. Good position
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LakersFan (1373 D)
11 Jan 13 UTC
Web Dip down?
I keep getting a weird failure message when I try going to WebDip. Anyone else having problems logging in
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The Ambassador (2140 D (B))
29 Nov 12 UTC
1066 update
England got a bum deal in the first attempt of 1066. This should now be better balanced with a new SC in Norfolk (formerly East Anglia on the board) & a new sea territory, Central North Sea. Enjoy!
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drano019 (2710 D Mod)
07 Jan 13 UTC
Exploration Dip
I recently came across an interesting variant of Diplomacy - Explore Dip. The link is here:

http://www.freewebs.com/tomahaha/
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Decima Legio (1987 D)
08 Jan 13 UTC
Stern von Africa: EoG thread
gameID= 11223
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Mertvaya Ruka (1468 D)
27 Dec 12 UTC
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Best Empire in History?
This ought to hopefully provoke some lively discussion here. Which empire, do you feel, was the best in human history? I personally like the Mongol Empire the best, especially under the first few khans. It just seems like a very progressive system in a lot of ways. There were a lot of crap things, too, but every empire has such things. I feel they were able to take the best from a lot of systems and synthesize a new whole, and that's pretty rare in history.
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yagoma (932 D)
07 Jan 13 UTC
The know world 901
http://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=11893

join my game please its a game for fun only 7 bet
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kaner406 (2061 D Mod (B))
05 Jan 13 UTC
replacement needed - early CD
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