Ok so capitals like that has my vote, but for draws I vote for draw whenever you want a draw, next to a draw when more people reach their goal at the same time.

Spring/Autumn is irrelevant IMO.

Basically I want to be able to draw whenever you want to so you still have a goal and hope when your capital is completely impossible to reach at that point (because of a stalemate with one guy having 17 SCs on one side for example); trying to make sure no one reaches their capital.

I can't see a problem with stalemate drawing (there is no point in pointlessly continuing!), but I think that it would be a difficult situation to reach given that we are playing the modern map. It is likely that if someone gets that big they would be able to make a lunge for the target capital.

Well I suppose but I think it should be allowed to draw without a real stalemate as well.
At some point there will be a few players who can't possibly hope to win so they could vote draw and work together to male it happen.

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And we might just agree but I can't say for sure.

Yeah, actively working towards a draw seems like a reasonable ploy.

My votes:
Unknown capitals, randomly (hat) assigned to us by our coordinator, who also confirms the win if and when the given player claims it. I prefer draws at any point if players agree, or when two target capitals are simultaneously taken (spring or autumn, no difference).
However, I do have a question: what happens if someone reaches the winning limit of SC-s? Or can we create the game such that there is no winning limit? (sorry, I am not experienced in creating games...)

Never mind that last question, we can set the limit to be any number greater than the total number of SC-s, I just checked...

Known Capitals
Random Assignment
Draw Like Normal
If two people get their cities at the same time, play on until only one has theirs

I don't mean to sound pompous, but I only want to play if Capitols are unknown. Knowing the Capitols means there's at least 1 person that it will be physically impossible to work with. Why would France ever work with Britain if Paris is Britain's target? You immediately have an enemy which limits Diplomacy, which is something I wouldn't condone. Unknown makes it much more exciting since you never know if the person you're helping is really gunning for you.

Regarding draws: I would hope that no one would try to draw before a stalemate is reached, and I hope we encourage that. Otherwise I have a feeling we're going to end up with a 2 v 2 or 3 v 3 situation where both sides are too afraid to make a move for fear that their capitol will get captured. Come on people! Let's take a few risks, it's a SRG!

Regarding end of game: I actually like EmperorMaximus' idea. If two capture at the same time, play until only one has it under control still.

/in to replace and/or erm... draw if needed?

Unknown Capitals
Random Assignment
Draw Like Normal
If two people get their cities at the same time, play on until only one has theirs

i am complety with you drano

I'm happy to play either way, but one thing I like about diplomacy is you know when someone's about to win and can work together against them. In an ordinary game France and England may be 98% sure they'll have to fight each other to win but they can still cooperate to grow, I think the same would be true with known capitals.

The difference Emperor, is that in a regular game, England and France DON'T have to fight to win. They can work together and theoretically, they would never have to fight for one of them to win if the situation worked out right. In a capitols game though, they HAVE to fight if one of them has the other's capitol as his target. A subtle difference, but important to me at least.

That's true, but what's more important to me is knowing the winning condition which allows for balance of power alliance shifts, if Germany is very powerful and threatening to capture Moscow, their goal, then England and France may make peace to stop Germany

A technical question: does England have to have London as its capital? I mean, Paris is in a more defendable position than London...

And here comes my vote:
Unknown capitals
Random country assignment and draw whenever you like (mainly in case there would be a stalemate)

I think that's best @DD for clarity's sake and because perfect balance isn't exactly what we're aiming for anyway.

Besides, I think I would most like to be England for this variant, even if their capitol is London. Although I'm not sure since I haven't really played the modern map a lot...

My vote:
Unknown Capitals
Random Assignment
Draw like Normal
If two people get their cities at same time, play on until only one has control

Did we decide on time per phase already?

I'm fine with anything at least 24 hours but I prefer 36 and 48.

agreed. 36 or 48 would be ideal.

Let's play 36. Do we have a GM?

PM'ed Ruffhaus. Just waiting on a reply.

36 hours sounds good

Once you guys set up the game, I will confirm each players's capital, and randomly draw and assign each player a target capitol. I assume the game will be played until someone captures an assigned capitol, correct? Is there a tie breaking procedure?

Also here are the capitals I am looking at using on the Modern II map:

Britain: London
Egypt: Cairo
France: Paris
Germany: Berlin
Italy: Rome
Poland: Warsaw
Russia: Moscow
Spain: Madrid
Ukraine: Kiev
Turkey: Ankara

Please clarify if there are any problems.

Correct. One does not have to continue to control their original capital, only gain their target. We haven't confirmed the procedure if two people reach their targets (and hold for Autumn) simultaneously, but the concensus seems to be that we play on until only one nation holds their capital.

Everything seems to be in place. I'll set up the game.

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