Glad we cleared that up ;) I think DEFIANT may have been reading more into what you were saying than you meant.

Defiant, I know we're talking via PM but for the benefit of the thread:

http://www.ibtimes.com/syria-chemical-weapons-program-helped-western-companies-selling-precursor-nerve-agents-1395301

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/revealed-britain-sold-nerve-gas-2242520

Who are the fucking terrorists, seriously? I have my doubts sometimes.

yes we arein pm, and uk is not sending chemical weapons to syria, you saw that, and i sent you the other about the HUB, it is russia and egypt, you have to read the whole story and look at what both sides are saying. BTW, have faith in your own country would you.

Funny how we're still selling weapons to Russia too despite sanctions against them over Ukraine.

Why should I have faith in my own country? Shear blind patriotism?

My country is the world, and my religion is to do good.

no not shear blind patriotism, but you don't even believe the truth about your country, you only believe what you want to believe right or wrong. I have given you proof to every one of your so called unbiased articles and you still don't want to believe it even when it is in the same article that you sent.

@KingCyrus:
"Hitler had the capability to be a fantastic leader" - what kind of bullshit is this? What do you define as fantastic leader? A fantastic leader is not only able to lead people. He leads them into a more positive future, and he never had the capability for that.

Hitler was clearly a strong leader but mainly a marketing expert and seducer in first place. He could lead but he used the wrong measures to do so. He used fear and hate to make the country "strong". Unfortunatly it also cost the country a fortune already before the war. The german reich didn't have money anymore when they started to attack their neighbours.

Or Look at german technology a thing people tend to say ways hitlers achievement.
Germany was well ahead of everybody in many tech fields but not because hitler was so great. He made the best scientists leave the countries. The advantage they had during the war was built up in big parts long before hitler took over. You don't invent a jetplane and rocket from ground up in 10 years. Because of hitler germany suffered one of the most terrible defeats in history, has a ruined reputation, lost a huge amount of the intellectual elite, was bombed to the ground. How can one call hitler then a capable fantastic leader?

As to israel. Bombing civilians isn't a good solution. The Hamas is clearly a terrible organisation. They are using palestine civilians as shield and they bring terror to israel.

BUT the HAMAS is NOT palestine!

Whenever Israel kills a palestine kid they are able to recruit more extremists that hate israel. This completly over the top attack from israel might be somehow understandable, as i can see how they are threatend daily, but it's not the right countermeasuer as it's just creates hate.

The problem between palestine and israel will not be solved on the battlefield. Israel will take a way a small short term victory, but will make extremism stronger on both sides.

You can't beat idelogistic extremists with brute force against civilians.

Just curious - why is this discussion here? I was scolded by JMO for putting up a non-Dip thread? :{

Our fearless leader, during all of this, is now on his way to Martha's Vineyard. Maybe he can be briefed on Iraq Isreal/Hamas in between bike rides and ice cream cones.

It's a double standard, krellin. JMO is determined to drive you and me away by making us meet standards on both sites that he doesn't make others meet.

BUT the HAMAS is NOT palestine!

Bullshit. Hamas is certainly unhindered by the Palestinian people. The Palestinians do not call out for the ned of Hamas. They do not call out for Hamas to stop their violence.

What the heck is the mattr with all you people that bury your silly little heads in the sand and refuse to acknowledge reality. The Palestinian people **fully** back Hamas and *fully* support the notion of the *elimination* of Israel.

For crying out loud, even left-leaning media outlets like PBS have aired shows in the past talking about th indoctrination of Palestinian kids and their attitudes towards Israelis as **sub-human**....like we've never read about THOSE attitudes in history books before.

Seriously....get your head out the sand.

"" BUT the HAMAS is NOT palestine! ""

I forgot the quotes above --- that is not MY statement, but was a quote of a previous post.

You're not right krellin

Krellin, on this we disagree. The Palestinian people are no more responsible for Hamas than the Irish were for the IRA. They are under duress and keeping their heads down so *they* aren't killed by Hamas. Just because you don't turn in gang members in Harlem doesn't mean you agree with them or are one of them. It means you are afraid for your life. That's about the best parallel I can think of.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_legislative_election,_2006

Palestinians voted Hamas their central gov't.

Less than 50% of the people voted for Hamas. That's what the numbers in that article show. So you condemn more than half the people for less than half of them supporting Hamas.

Also they voted for Hamas because Hamas could bring results and Fata could not. And as the US that was our bad for not helping Fata after Arafat died because unlike Hamas Fata is willing to compromise and talk peace.

Hi its THELEGION I got banned. T_T

"Less than 50% of the people voted for Hamas. That's what the numbers in that article show. So you condemn more than half the people for less than half of them supporting Hamas."
Oh please, since world war 2, 6 times has the elected president recieved less than 50% of the vote, and in Canada the last time a party received more than 50% of the vote was 1958. Hamas won the election because the voters voted for Hamas.

fasces is right and even in the United States we have had a minority of voters vote in a President, it is possible through the electoral college and the United States is responsible for what she does and the people too. That is why it is a country. If the leader is making decisions or taking actions that the country as a whole doesn't like, there are always avenues to remove the president or leader, impeachment, maybe the palestine people should remove Hamas then and bring in a more stable leader or party, but they won't and unfortunately their bloodshed will continue because of Hamas.

Hamas are bullies. Attempting to remove them from.power legitimately would result in yet another violent conflict between the people of Palestine.

Any port in a storm. People under duress flock to the strongest leadership around, even one they hate.

Sure, after being bombed to rubble, lots of Palestinians want to be martyrs, but most still would just like to be able to live their lives without interference and raise their families in peace. Same as most everyone else.